Originally posted by Delta1938
Why do you accuse basically everyone you argue with as trolling? It's like that saying that's something like, "the longer an Internet argument goes on, the more likely someone is going to call someone else a Nazi." You stick in a topic long enough you're going to accuse who you're arguing with of trolling.I don't agree with a lot of what Smurph is arguing, but he's not trolling.
Also, you concede it was retarded for you to accuse Stilt of moving the goalpost?
Trolling is ignoring evidence. He kept saying Batman is lightspeed when I have other conclusions multiple times. He kept ignoring them and posting the same stuff.
Originally posted by h1a8
So it is a speed feat. Thanks
Nowhere did i say she had no speed.
But you can have speed and use skill to cross gaps in stats. As has been my point all this while. WW can be a 50, Zoom a 100 in speed, then she uses skills to cross that gap.
Nowhere did I make out she had zero speed, did I? I don't think you even know what you are debating against with me. You moved the goalposts, and made out like I said no speed whatsoever - then accused me of moving goalposts (along with trolling).
Originally posted by h1a8
Trolling is ignoring evidence. He kept saying Batman is lightspeed when I have other conclusions multiple times. He kept ignoring them and posting the same stuff.
Him disagreeing with you so disregarding it isn't trolling. It's him disagreeing.
So I'll take it you're conceding on your utter **** up saying DS moved the goalpost. You ignored that, so by your own standards you're trolling. Reported.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Reported.
Look.
He's trolled two big sections of this ancient board - Comic Versus and Movie Versus - for years.
17 years, to be exact.
If he's still around, then no amount of reports can change it 😂
And certainly not for the lack of trying. Movie guys hate his guts as much as we do.
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More, actually. Visit their forum and look around.
He is not interested in either comics or films, he just wants some excuse to post his miscalculations and masturbate to people proving them wrong.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Look.He's trolled two big sections of this ancient board - Comic Versus and Movie Versus - for years.
17 years, to be exact.
If he's still around, then no amount of reports can change it 😂
And certainly not for the lack of trying. Movie guys hate his guts as much as we do.
...
More, actually. Visit their forum and look around.
He is not interested in either comics or films, he just wants some excuse to post his miscalculations and masturbate to people proving them wrong.
I was joking on reporting him. 😆
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nowhere did i say she had no speed.But you can have speed and use skill to cross gaps in stats. As has been my point all this while. WW can be a 50, Zoom a 100 in speed, then she uses skills to cross that gap.
Nowhere did I make out she had zero speed, did I? I don't think you even know what you are debating against with me. You moved the goalposts, and made out like I said no speed whatsoever - then accused me of moving goalposts (along with trolling).
Crossing a gap is vague. Does that mean have a chance to win?
Regardless it's irrelevant in this thread.
WW has super speed, which is one of her powers. She has plenty of speed feats in her history. She also has fighting skill. Her fighting skill doesn't make her slower or take away her speed. You can't subtract her speed because she has skill.
If she can move her hand X Mph then saying that skill can close the gap is irrelevant to WW being able to move x Mph.
Speed is something we can prove through quantifiable feats (give lower estimates).
Statements in one comic mean nothing if they contradict on panel showings. That's why we don't take Batman word (writer's intent) as WW being faster than Superman in combat.
If WW has better speed feats than PG other than traveling speed then it is silly to argue that PG is faster
Originally posted by h1a8You haven’t presented evidence, so I can’t have ignored evidence. You just keep avoiding the necessary conclusion of your own argument, hence why we come back to that point.
Trolling is ignoring evidence. He kept saying Batman is lightspeed when I have other conclusions multiple times. He kept ignoring them and posting the same stuff.
What’s Batman’s absolute max speed? Per your calculations.
Originally posted by h1a8
Crossing a gap is vague. Does that mean have a chance to win?
Regardless it's irrelevant in this thread.
WW has super speed, which is one of her powers. She has plenty of speed feats in her history. She also has fighting skill. Her fighting skill doesn't make her slower or take away her speed. You can't subtract her speed because she has skill.If she can move her hand X Mph then saying that skill can close the gap is irrelevant to WW being able to move x Mph.
Speed is something we can prove through quantifiable feats (give lower estimates).
Statements in one comic mean nothing if they contradict on panel showings. That's why we don't take Batman word (writer's intent) as WW being faster than Superman in combat.
If WW has better speed feats than PG other than traveling speed then it is silly to argue that PG is faster
It's not silly if you understand comics. Which you don't. It's been explained to you and gone as well as an infant being taught quantum physics.
You said ignoring evidence is trolling. You consistently ignore evidence. Including me posting quotes going back to page 2 showing DS has argued speed compensating from the beginning, after you accused him of moving the goalpost.
You have not acknowledged that and apologized for your false accusations. Nor did you acknowledge when you said "WW doesn't have precog" when DS never said that. Of course if you had better reading comprehension, you wouldn't have needed to be corrected to begin with.
By your very definition, you are a troll. So thus a hypocrite. GG.
Originally posted by h1a8
Crossing a gap is vague. Does that mean have a chance to win?
Regardless it's irrelevant in this thread.
WW has super speed, which is one of her powers. She has plenty of speed feats in her history. She also has fighting skill. Her fighting skill doesn't make her slower or take away her speed. You can't subtract her speed because she has skill.If she can move her hand X Mph then saying that skill can close the gap is irrelevant to WW being able to move x Mph.
Speed is something we can prove through quantifiable feats (give lower estimates).
Statements in one comic mean nothing if they contradict on panel showings. That's why we don't take Batman word (writer's intent) as WW being faster than Superman in combat.
If WW has better speed feats than PG other than traveling speed then it is silly to argue that PG is faster
But skill can and does allow you to match people who move x++mph. A trained fighter who has has attained a certain level develops muscle memory or put simply their body starts making the counter move before they have consciously thought to do so. Therefore using combat speed showings of a reacting to b doesn't necessarily compare their speed. When Flash reacts and dodges etc that is a pure speed thing. His brain thinks faster so he processes those concious thoughts before he reacts Diana on the other hand has likely already moved into a defensive position or dodged before She has actually thought to do so.
The skill upgrades her speed. The same way it upgrades the skill of Karate Kid. The fastest guns in the old West likely moved as fast as the slowest bit their trained reflex drew the gun before they actively thought to do so, meaning by the time they made a concious decision it was to ask an fire (at the same time someone not as honed is starting to draw)
Originally posted by h1a8
Crossing a gap is vague. Does that mean have a chance to win?
Regardless it's irrelevant in this thread.
WW has super speed, which is one of her powers. She has plenty of speed feats in her history. She also has fighting skill. Her fighting skill doesn't make her slower or take away her speed. You can't subtract her speed because she has skill.If she can move her hand X Mph then saying that skill can close the gap is irrelevant to WW being able to move x Mph.
Speed is something we can prove through quantifiable feats (give lower estimates).
Statements in one comic mean nothing if they contradict on panel showings. That's why we don't take Batman word (writer's intent) as WW being faster than Superman in combat.
If WW has better speed feats than PG other than traveling speed then it is silly to argue that PG is faster
Never said she didn't have superspeed, I don't know why you are making it like I said this. That's dishonest of you.
I am not saying her skill makes her slower (wut??), I am saying her skill makes her APPEAR to be faster (the crutch of which I speak). As seen with her and PG - when she didn't use her skills, PG was able to tag her and was faster than her attacks.
The example I then gave was of her blocking bullets. The comic clearly shows that she doesn't actually need to be faster than the bullets, but her skill enables her to 'precog' (I am NOT SAYING SHE HAS PRECOG POWERS, lol) and thus, block them.
As also seen with Zoom who was ahead of her in the timestream. She needed to use her skills to get ahead of him.
In short, comic writers use 'skill' as a magical ability to enable their characters to do all sorts of things without having the actual stats behind it. Karate Kid can shatter thousands of tons of ice without actually having the strength, or react to lightspeed attacks without having that level of speed. WW has her skills which give her the illusion of being faster than she is, without actually having the speed - because it's 'cheating' by having her hands/feet already in a position to defend/attack before the other person has. Your distance/time equations are meaningless, because it assumes both sides have equivalent starting points.
She has already begun to block attacks before the other side has started their attacks - due to her skill. That's why a simplistic interpretation such as yours fails.
Originally posted by Smurph
You haven’t presented evidence, so I can’t have ignored evidence. You just keep avoiding the necessary conclusion of your own argument, hence why we come back to that point.What’s Batman’s absolute max speed? Per your calculations.
I did give evidence. Pr gave evidence. We both stated that blasts can be variable at times. I gave examples.
You ignored this.
You ignore what you see on panel and argue that since Batman can't do such things then HE DIDN'T DO IT ON PANEL.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Never said she didn't have superspeed, I don't know why you are making it like I said this. That's dishonest of you.I am not saying her skill makes her slower (wut??), I am saying her skill makes her APPEAR to be faster (the crutch of which I speak). As seen with her and PG - when she didn't use her skills, PG was able to tag her and was faster than her attacks.
The example I then gave was of her blocking bullets. The comic clearly shows that she doesn't actually need to be faster than the bullets, but her skill enables her to 'precog' (I am NOT SAYING SHE HAS PRECOG POWERS, lol) and thus, block them.
As also seen with Zoom who was ahead of her in the timestream. She needed to use her skills to get ahead of him.
In short, comic writers use 'skill' as a magical ability to enable their characters to do all sorts of things without having the actual stats behind it. Karate Kid can shatter thousands of tons of ice without actually having the strength, or react to lightspeed attacks without having that level of speed. WW has her skills which give her the illusion of being faster than she is, without actually having the speed - because it's 'cheating' by having her hands/feet already in a position to defend/attack before the other person has. Your distance/time equations are meaningless, because it assumes both sides have equivalent starting points.
She has already begun to block attacks before the other side has started their attacks - due to her skill. That's why a simplistic interpretation such as yours fails.
But all of that is irrelevant. This thread is about who's faster. We use quantifiable feats to prove. Nothing what you said proves PG is faster THAN WW. So why post it? There is no purpose. You have to show PG being actually faster than WW.
Originally posted by beatboks
But skill can and does allow you to match people who move x++mph. A trained fighter who has has attained a certain level develops muscle memory or put simply their body starts making the counter move before they have consciously thought to do so. Therefore using combat speed showings of a reacting to b doesn't necessarily compare their speed. When Flash reacts and dodges etc that is a pure speed thing. His brain thinks faster so he processes those concious thoughts before he reacts Diana on the other hand has likely already moved into a defensive position or dodged before She has actually thought to do so.The skill upgrades her speed. The same way it upgrades the skill of Karate Kid. The fastest guns in the old West likely moved as fast as the slowest bit their trained reflex drew the gun before they actively thought to do so, meaning by the time they made a concious decision it was to ask an fire (at the same time someone not as honed is starting to draw)
Moving before someone else isn't movement speed, that's reflex speed. I'm also talking about the velocity in which the arms can move.
Like I told DS. This argument is irrelevant. Having skill doesn't make you automatically slower than someone else. That's stupid. You have to prove the other is actually faster.
Batman has skill. Does that make him slower than me because he is more skilled?
Originally posted by h1a8a) that’s not evidence. that’s an irrelevant hypothesis.
I did give evidence. Pr gave evidence. We both stated that blasts can be variable at times. I gave examples.
You ignored this.You ignore what you see on panel and argue that since Batman can't do such things then HE DIDN'T DO IT ON PANEL.
b) no, I’ve been repeatedly making the point that you argue Batman did something on panel but you won’t say Batman can do it.
So, what’s Batman’s absolute max speed? Per your calculations.
Originally posted by Smurph
a) that’s not evidence. that’s an irrelevant hypothesis.b) no, I’ve been repeatedly making the point that you argue Batman did something on panel but you won’t say Batman can do it.
So, what’s Batman’s absolute max speed? Per your calculations.
If it is a fact that blasts have variable speeds in fiction then why is that not evidence towards a possible conclusion?
You are ignoring what happened on panel. That's trolling.
You are basically saying that what happened on panel didn't.
Originally posted by h1a8Evidence needs to have relevance to be evidence. Irrelevant observations are irrelevant. However, as stated multiple times, I don’t care at all about the speed of the HV. Make it lightspeed, half light speed, whatever. I think it’s beyond silly if you start adjusting the variables of Batman’s world to make the panels “work”, but that’s your bag.
If it is a fact that blasts have variable speeds in fiction then why is that not evidence towards a possible conclusion?You are ignoring what happened on panel. That's trolling.
You are basically saying that what happened on panel didn't.
You keep avoiding the question. What, exactly, is Batman’s absolute top speed?
Originally posted by h1a8
But all of that is irrelevant. This thread is about who's faster. We use quantifiable feats to prove. Nothing what you said proves PG is faster THAN WW. So why post it? There is no purpose. You have to show PG being actually faster than WW.
Except you're ignoring evidence, you ****ing troll, by not conceding you can't quantify the feat if she's predicting where she needs to block, not blocking in reaction.
Continuing to troll by ignoring the evidence I and others present I see.