Originally posted by h1a8No. Teach me.
Invalid conclusion. Do you even know how to debate?
Originally posted by h1a8I haven’t dismissed it. I’ve left it to you to argue. The point is moot.
You can't pick and choose which premises you like while dismissing other valid ones (variable HV by writer's intent).
Originally posted by h1a8I’ve said lightspeed because Delta believes hypersonic speed would be too low for this feat. You can choose the percentage of lightspeed, it truly doesn’t matter.
Even if Batman did move more than 10% the speed of light (why are you keep saying lightspeed?) in that panel then that doesn't mean he can do it in all other showings.
In oyher words, just because a character did something doesn't mean they can always do it,or more importantly, do it now.
Ok. This is your conclusion. Batman can, on occasion, move at a significant percentage of lightspeed.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's not irrelevant, as it links directly to my point, which is that skill is used to bridge gaps.She used her skill there to get ahead of him, because she knew he used his powers to time travel and get ahead of him.
And nothing is trumped. She used her skill, to block his potential spots with rocks, forcing him to be in a specific spot which she could capitalise on - hence your own point that she throws her lasso even when he's still in multiple places at once. Her lasso isn't in several places at once, so it's not as fast as him. In short, it must have been moving slowly relative to him - but he couldn't stop himself because she had used her skill.
Thus proving my point.
Using skill to bridge gaps is moving the goalposts.
It doesn't prove what I stated is false in any way.
I addressed the rock issue. Your weakness as a debator is that you rely on making stuff too much. Sometimes to the point that you are arguing against what we see on panel.
Zoom was 4 different people when the rocks were going past and when they were BEHIND HIM. He was always 4 different people.
Therefore WW had to use speed and perceptions to trace his movement.
So before we continue. Are you arguing that it wasn't a speed feat at all and no level of superspeed is needed to achieve the feat?
Originally posted by Smurph
No. Teach me.
I haven’t dismissed it. I’ve left it to you to argue. The point is moot.I’ve said lightspeed because Delta believes hypersonic speed would be too low for this feat. You can choose the percentage of lightspeed, it truly doesn’t matter.
Ok. This is your conclusion. Batman can, on occasion, move at a significant percentage of lightspeed.
You didn't leave it up for me to argue. You stated your conclusion, Batman is lightspeed.
Originally posted by h1a8
Using skill to bridge gaps is moving the goalposts.
It doesn't prove what I stated is false in any way.I addressed the rock issue. Your weakness as a debator is that you rely on making stuff too much. Sometimes to the point that you are arguing against what we see on panel.
Zoom was 4 different people when the rocks were going past and when they were BEHIND HIM. He was always 4 different people.
Therefore WW had to use speed and perceptions to trace his movement.So before we continue. Are you arguing that it wasn't a speed feat at all and no level of superspeed is needed to achieve the feat?
Moving?
It's been my central point all along. Page 2/3 of this thread.
In the same scan where she tosses her lasso, he is fast enough to appear as 4 people.
Therefore, if she is at a comparable speed, she should also be comparable in the art. But she is not - she is a single image. The lasso, a single image . Ergo, much slower. Luckily, her skills enabled her to get ahead of him.
I have already addressed your goalpost moving (lol). Read back to see what I said about her having speed in that scene.
So again, what perceptions, what senses, was she using? Her hearing? Her taste? What?
We even see later on a slowed down Cheetah was able to outreact her 'perceptions'.
Originally posted by h1a8
Her blitzing WW is no proof of being faster.
WW was exposed from missing with the lasso. She was left opened.
Writer's intent was that WW is faster than Superman in combat. We all know that is contradicted by history.Plus we have WW acting as if she's faster at times (dodging PG punches).
WW herself says PG is AT LEAST as fast, then she gets blitzed. The comic doesn't support your views. If you actually read comics, it's like you have the Asperger's but for comics.
We already went over this. I don't know if Mcduffie poorly worded things in the initial comic or he half backtracked in response to everyone, but what she said was her training, not "raw speed."
And you've already been proven wrong. This is why you have comic Asperger's if you even read comics. She only started winning AFTER saying she's an Amazon, she needs to fight like one.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/I%27ll_see_you_and_raise_you
To be fair, and maybe he already explained what I think he meant, you don't have to be lightspeed to dodge it the way Batman did. There was distance.
10% to me seems to low, but I don't think dodging the way he did requires to be AS fast.
Originally posted by Delta1938
To be fair, and maybe he already explained what I think he meant, you don't have to be lightspeed to dodge it the way Batman did. There was distance.10% to me seems to low, but I don't think dodging the way he did requires to be AS fast.
All in all, I think we all agree that skills can cover the some shortages(including speed) in comics, which is the PG and WW fight scene alludes to.
Originally posted by h1a8
Using skill to bridge gaps is moving the goalposts.
.....wut? DarkSaint has been arguing skill closing the gap since ****ing page 2.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean, Batman's skills enable him to trade blows with WW for a [I]brief amount of time.No one (sane) here would say that during that period, WW is Batman's level of speed.[/i]
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Skill, however, is this magical ability that makes up for gaps because writers want streets to not become pink mists as soon as they face a meta. I mean, we have Batman trading blows with Zoom, lol - a guy who was casually batting a bloodlusted Wally away with one hand.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean we have abhi's most loved scan:Which has WW using her skill as a form of precog. Literally not speed
If I know sunlight is coming towards me (and yes, I know because I know it takes 8+minutes for light to travel to me) I can close my eyelids and block out a specific photon from reaching my eyes.
Doesn't mean I'm FTL
Ect. You either don't comprehend his argument or create a strawman(so lie) when you argue WW doesn't have precognition when he used that as an analogy for skill predicting moves, fir example.
B!tch, can you even read or are you using text to speech?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Moving?It's been my central point all along. Page 2/3 of this thread.
In the same scan where she tosses her lasso, he is fast enough to appear as 4 people.
Therefore, if she is at a comparable speed, she should also be comparable in the art. But she is not - she is a single image. The lasso, a single image . Ergo, much slower. Luckily, her skills enabled her to get ahead of him.
I have already addressed your goalpost moving (lol). Read back to see what I said about her having speed in that scene.
So again, what perceptions, what senses, was she using? Her hearing? Her taste? What?
We even see later on a slowed down Cheetah was able to outreact her 'perceptions'.
Before we continue. Are you arguing that it is not a speed feat?
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998This debate is about who's faster.
In their fight then arm speed movement is inconclusive. WW won the reflex speed battle. PG won the flight travel speed battle.
Originally posted by -Pr-
WTF Stilt?
😂
It's fake, no need to edit.
No gore and no nudity, so not sure why you had to remove it? Too disturbing? 😖hifty:
If Galan and Bran can post penises and Estacado can post Crossed scans, then I want to be able to post pics of supernatural horror creatures. Then we have posters who enjoy Blood Meridian a little too much for all the wrong reasons, but I digress.
Also... that is exactly what h1 looks like. Now you know. And he's always watching.
Originally posted by h1a8
That's not my conclusion. I gave several conclusions multiple times. But you just want to Troll and pretend that I didn't.
Why do you accuse basically everyone you argue with as trolling? It's like that saying that's something like, "the longer an Internet argument goes on, the more likely someone is going to call someone else a Nazi." You stick in a topic long enough you're going to accuse who you're arguing with of trolling.
I don't agree with a lot of what Smurph is arguing, but he's not trolling.
Also, you concede it was retarded for you to accuse Stilt of moving the goalpost?