Order these guys by speed

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You don't have WWs level of skill. I mean, I have speed but I'm not Flash. What a nonsense argument, lol.

I have some degree of strength but I can't lift a ship like Superman.

You don't get it. The argument is having skill doesn't give you that special attribute.
You have to prove that WW knew when and where DS was aiming since he had no pupils to focus on (and WW doesn't know the exact moment the beams are coming out).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Same way a chess master can play 25 simultaneous games of chess, sometimes blindfolded.

Not saying there's no speed and it's pure skill, btw. But neither am I saying it's pure speed and no skill.

No one is quantifying the speed in which WW is moving her limbs. Therefore you are arguing against nothing. We all agree that WW has superhuman speed. She can move her arms very fast.

And I would argue that WW does this without ANY skill. Why?
Because she never trained against bullets (she would have got shot on her first attempt) or laser blasts. She just naturally can block them (same as Superman).

In comics, having skill gives you that special attribute. Like Batman can rest to HV, despite having human level speed.

I like to think Ivy was seriously dulling Superman reflexes and speed there.

Maybe even that he was resisting just enough to miss on purpose. He is Superman after all.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
In comics, having skill gives you that special attribute. Like Batman can rest to HV, despite having human level speed.

You are basically arguing in circles. In proving that WW has that ability you argue that having fighting skill gives her that ability. I countered with a counter example (showed someone with fighting skill that doesn't have that ability). Then you stated it has to be WW level skill. That's begging the question. This doesn't prove that WW has the ability to know where DS is aiming with his beam before he fires nor the exact moment it will fire.

Originally posted by h1a8
No it doesn't. Now you are just talking crazy.

You are basically arguing in circles. In proving that WW has that ability you argue that having fighting skill gives her that ability. I countered with a counter example (showed someone with fighting skill that doesn't have that ability). Then you stated it has to be WW level skill. That's begging the question. This doesn't prove that WW has the ability to know where DS is aiming with his beam before he fires nor the exact moment it will fire.

That's how comics are. Batman and Invisible woman etc can react to laser attacks being fired at them from behind, without knowing when or where they're being aimed at. This is due to that magical ability known as skill.

Originally posted by h1a8
I have skill but don't have that attribute

This is like arguing that Spider-Man doesn’t have a spider-sense because a radioactive spider bit you and all you got was cancer.

Originally posted by Smurph
Yeah. Because you’re not in a ****ing comic book. 😐

This is like arguing that Spider-Man doesn’t have a spider-sense because a radioactive spider bit you and all you got was cancer.

If I was in a comic book then what I said would still be true. Therefore, me being in a comic doesn't disprove what I said.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's how comics are. Batman and Invisible woman etc can react to laser attacks being fired at them from behind, without knowing when or where they're being aimed at. This is due to that magical ability known as skill.

No where in comics does it show a character knowing exactly where DS is aiming or the precise moment he will fire.

Batman and IW can not react to lasers being shot at them AFTER the fire. If they are in the way of the beam when it enters the air then they will get hit.

And that scenario still doesn't prove WW knows where DS is aiming and when he will fire. Therefore she perceives the beam and reacts accordingly.

Originally posted by h1a8
If I was in a comic book then what I said would still be true. Therefore, me being in a comic doesn't disprove what I said.

Therefore, your argument doesn’t make sense.

Originally posted by h1a8
No where in comics does it show a character knowing exactly where DS is aiming or the precise moment he will fire.

Batman and IW can not react to lasers being shot at them AFTER the fire. If they are in the way of the beam when it enters the air then they will get hit.

And that scenario still doesn't prove WW knows where DS is aiming and when he will fire. Therefore she perceives the beam and reacts accordingly.

Yet, they do.

To be fair, the beams do have a tendency to do that randomish zigzag thing for no reason. Even when the target is right in front of him, it can go way off to the sides like a drunken laser beam.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yet, they do.

Originally posted by h1a8
If I say they can't that means they haven't. Prove that they reacted lasers shot from behind them AFTER they were fired.

Your word means absolutely nothing, considering I have had to educate you so many times (remember our Ozymandias 'debate'?)

Moving goalposts?

Your initial post said:

Batman and IW can not react to lasers being shot at them AFTER the fire

🙂

Now you're adding that he has to react to it from behind? Tsk tsk. How sad. How.....disappointing.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Your word means absolutely nothing, considering I have had to educate you so many times (remember our Ozymandias 'debate'?)

Moving goalposts?

Your initial post said:

🙂

Now you're adding that he has to react to it from behind? Tsk tsk. How sad. How.....disappointing.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's what you stated. "From behind". Do you need me to quote you?

🙂

Although, surely the intent (as you love to say) is what matters? What does it matter if they were in front or behind, as long as they react|AFTER the firing??

Invisible Woman (and not just with one blast, either!)

And she doesnt' just block them, she even bubbles them up - which necessitates doing so AFTER they're fired (note how there are blasts behind her). All done as she's concentrating on fl;ying and talking.

And:

Note she has to not only block, but each shield has a different frequency. Note too, some firing behind her 🙂

I mean, we are just going down a pedantic route now (in front of vs behind).

Batman clearly moves AFTER the HV has fired here:

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Now, PIS? Sure. But writers don't have 'PIS' - in fact, they'd be offended we use that term ,lol. Batman has no superspeed, but he does have insane skills.

Skills which enable him to react to HV AFTER it was fired. Comics have shown this.

So back to the point in hand. In comics, writers use 'skill' as a catch-all magical BS, which enables a character to cross gaps in physical stats, including speed. Thus, in a discussion about speed, we need to take that into account, and 'deduct points', as it were.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Invisible Woman (and not just with one blast, either!)

And she doesnt' just block them, she even bubbles them up - which necessitates doing so AFTER they're fired (note how there are blasts behind her). All done as she's concentrating on fl;ying and talking.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
🙂

Although, surely the intent (as you love to say) is what matters? What does it matter if they were in front or behind, as long as they react|AFTER the firing??

That scan is inconclusive. Eyes could have been glowing prior and Batman moved out the way before the fire. The fact that Hello was said supports that.

Talking is a free action.

And frankly, we said laser blasts, no? Which I showed. You wanting to now move the goalposts (as I knew you would) is just disingenuous of you.