Saitama runs the marvel hardcore gauntlet

Originally posted by carver9
Got a question for Smurph and Saint. This is one of the slower peeps compared to Saitama and Garou (much slower). Be honest. Can you see Sentry blitzing past 2 people, punching them but his punches register AFTER the fact. He is already pass his opponents and his attacks/punches are still going on while he is on the other side of them talking. This would be a high end ft for Heralds/trans tiers but share your thoughts...

https://ibb.co/LQGTYd6
https://ibb.co/CP7zdTJ

honestly I don't know what about this makes it decisively high herald. Just seems like a trope of manga physics so you just wouldn't see it pop up outside of that medium.

It is kind of an interesting discussion though. Off the top of my head it's not dissimilar from Surfer manhandling Nova at super speed. Surfer attacks, flies past and turns around to attack again before Nova can register that Surfer is there or that he just got throatgrabbed.

https://imgur.io/a/p4oYDcq

On the other hand it also reminds me of O-Ren's death in Kill Bill lol... genre stylings play a big role here.

Originally posted by Smurph
"can leap tall buildings in a single bound! faster than the speed of his own punch!"

honestly I don't know what about this makes it decisively high herald. Just seems like a trope of manga physics so you just wouldn't see it pop up outside of that medium.

It is kind of an interesting discussion though. Off the top of my head it's not dissimilar from Surfer manhandling Nova at super speed. Surfer attacks, flies past and turns around to attack again before Nova can register that Surfer is there or that he just got throatgrabbed.

https://imgur.io/a/p4oYDcq

Originally posted by Smurph
"can leap tall buildings in a single bound! faster than the speed of his own punch!"

honestly I don't know what about this makes it decisively high herald. Just seems like a trope of manga physics so you just wouldn't see it pop up outside of that medium.

It is kind of an interesting discussion though. Off the top of my head it's not dissimilar from Surfer manhandling Nova at super speed. Surfer attacks, flies past and turns around to attack again before Nova can register that Surfer is there or that he just got throatgrabbed.

https://imgur.io/a/p4oYDcq

The Surfer showing is not the same.

Anyways, the point of my post is, Anime and DC/Marvel operates on different levels of speeds. Linear speeds are a hindrance, no matter how fast you are in Anime. This is why I ask for combat showings.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
It also reminds me one of combo Flash can do in Injustice 2, Flash punches multiple times at an opponent, and after a while the force of his punches begins manifesting at said opponent

Show me.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It honestly doesn't matter now. The fact that you can't say for certain who is faster, based on art, when it suits you, tells me all I need to know.

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by carver9
Show me.

Originally posted by carver9
Concession accepted.

Actually, you're the one who concedes that they can't say for certain who is faster based on art.......

Originally posted by carver9
The Surfer showing is not the same.

Anyways, the point of my post is, Anime and DC/Marvel operates on different levels of speeds. Linear speeds are a hindrance, no matter how fast you are in Anime. This is why I ask for combat showings.

Anyways, at the very, very minimum Sentry has objectively landed an attack at MFTL speed. Saitama has not, unless you can show that the Io afterimages required MFTL speed (arguments about the retcon notwithstanding).

So, h1 repeatedly arguing that Saitama is faster than bullet-catching is a strawman and thus irrelevant.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Actually, you're the one who concedes that they can't say for certain who is faster based on art.......

Its not just art. Saitama DID create after images across an entire moon. Saitama DID create hard after images that some with super speed was unable to tell which one was the real Saitama. You're the one posting action sequences and Robin punching fast to downplay pure speed.

Originally posted by Smurph
Obviously it's not the same, because comics and manga aren't the same. But why is your scan more impressive than Surfer's? This stuff about anime speed is a point that you repeatedly assert without proving.

Anyways, at the very, very minimum Sentry has objectively landed an attack at MFTL speed. Saitama has not, unless you can show that the Io afterimages required MFTL speed (arguments about the retcon notwithstanding).

So, h1 repeatedly arguing that Saitama is faster than bullet-catching is a strawman and thus irrelevant.

Or, comics doesn't display speed anywhere close to what anime does. The Surfer is impressive by DC and Marvel standards but it's nothing when you compare it to what I've mentioned.

Him covering an entire moon with after images in one panel, would put this above your Sentry and Surfer showing.

Originally posted by carver9

Him covering an entire moon with after images in one panel, would put this above your Sentry and Surfer showing.

Originally posted by carver9
Its not just art. Saitama DID create after images across an entire moon. Saitama DID create hard after images that some with super speed was unable to tell which one was the real Saitama. You're the one posting action sequences and Robin punching fast to downplay pure speed.

It's just art. If you had numbers, text, to post, you would have done so already. As it stands, all you have is art.

Am I saying Saitama is human level? No! But RELATIVE to other characters in comics, you cannot say Saitama is faster, just like you cannot say Robin is faster than Hulk, just based on those scans.

Where comics then make it easier, is because they have more text, they have more explanation, more hard numbers, it's more quantifiable. Pretty art without text is just that - pretty.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's just art. If you had numbers, text, to post, you would have done so already. As it stands, all you have is art.

Am I saying Saitama is human level? No! But RELATIVE to other characters in comics, you cannot say Saitama is faster, just like you cannot say Robin is faster than Hulk, just based on those scans.

Where comics then make it easier, is because they have more text, they have more explanation, more hard numbers, it's more quantifiable. Pretty art without text is just that - pretty.

Is this just art?

https://imgur.io/wKwPwxi

He's nowhere close to human level, especially considering him performing fts that no one under Flash can perform.

Comic character speeds fts are garbage because their speed fts consists of things that contradicts their showings. Example, Batman now possess super speed...

https://ibb.co/J2kn8LZ
https://ibb.co/JmsD0xM

1. Sentry has moved fast enough to leave mirror images:
https://imgur.com/WNglVrq

He is all over the place and you see various afterimages performing various tasks. That alone is better than mere moving from point A to point B to juke someone.
But since these are comics we're talking about, his speed gets nerfed on the next page, when he faces the Hulk. There they wrestle and some comedy gets added in.

2. Here is a speed feat of Monster Garou fighting Platinum Sperm. At this point they're both faster than Flashy Flash, who is supposedly as fast as light, lol (according to Carver):
https://imgur.com/a/H2Hqyq3

I'm gonna be generous here and say that the left number on the timer is for the minutes instead of hours. Let's do treat it as a stopwatch, since that's the intention.

00:00'0"00
Minutes😖econds'Deciseconds"Centiseconds.

A decisecond is one tenth of a second. A Centisecond is one hundredth of a second.

Monster Garou performs a couple of actions within 50 Centiseconds, which would be half a second. That results in a bunch of afterimages and this aftermath, which also shows the afterimages:
https://i.imgur.com/nsmBInF.png

3. Amazing feat for Garou, but Sentry operates in milliseconds at the very least:
https://i.imgur.com/yniIv42.jpeg

That's one thousandth of a second. So Sentry would perceive Garous attacks in slow motion.

You can make the argument (rightfully so) that Cosmic Fear Garou and Upgraded Saitama are faster than that, but by how much? Monster Garou is faster than Flashy Flash, who was already slower than Blast... And we have Blast not being able to cancel planet busting power. Then that leads me to believe that the upper power levels in One-Punch Man are not on the high herald level. Because everything else is no limits fallacy. Keep in mind that Cosmic Fear Garous attacks were nuke level:
https://imgur.com/a/yCpjGm4

Again, it's an amazing power level, but... does it trump even high herald power? Hell no. And some people are seriously arguing that Cosmic Fear Garou would beat DS Sentry. Or any Sentry for that matter.

(Do you want to argue Saitama farting himself from Jupiter to Earth in few seconds? It takes light around 45 minutes to travel that distance. But such a travel time is still nothing the Sentry hasn't outperformed before.)

4. I also saw Carver stating that Saitama and Garou punched a hole in the universe. That of course is nonsense as well. He was referring to this instance:
https://i.imgur.com/CvSgS22.jpg

That big black dot is where the center of the explosion was. Everything around is the aftermath of the explosion. Carver must be confusing it with the universe and the black dot being a hole, where the stars could have been. Nah. Look at the manga issue and you'll see that the entire space in those scans was constantly pure black.

But you know who did punch a hole in the universe? The Sentry:
https://i.imgur.com/VVsverx.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UpcgtxS.jpg

Wake me up, when anyone in One-Punch Man gets a feat on that level.

Originally posted by Enzeru
1. Sentry has moved fast enough to leave mirror images:
https://imgur.com/WNglVrq

He is all over the place and you see various afterimages performing various tasks. That alone is better than mere moving from point A to point B to juke someone.
But since these are comics we're talking about, his speed gets nerfed on the next page, when he faces the Hulk. There they wrestle and some comedy gets added in.

2. Here is a speed feat of Monster Garou fighting Platinum Sperm. At this point they're both faster than Flashy Flash, who is supposedly as fast as light, lol (according to Carver):
https://imgur.com/a/H2Hqyq3

I'm gonna be generous here and say that the left number on the timer is for the minutes instead of hours. Let's do treat it as a stopwatch, since that's the intention.

00:00'0"00
Minutes😖econds'Deciseconds"Centiseconds.

A decisecond is one tenth of a second. A Centisecond is one hundredth of a second.

Monster Garou performs a couple of actions within 50 Centiseconds, which would be half a second. That results in a bunch of afterimages and this aftermath, which also shows the afterimages:
https://i.imgur.com/nsmBInF.png

3. Amazing feat for Garou, but Sentry operates in milliseconds at the very least:
https://i.imgur.com/yniIv42.jpeg

That's one thousandth of a second. So Sentry would perceive Garous attacks in slow motion.

You can make the argument (rightfully so) that Cosmic Fear Garou and Upgraded Saitama are faster than that, but by how much? Monster Garou is faster than Flashy Flash, who was already slower than Blast... And we have Blast not being able to cancel planet busting power. Then that leads me to believe that the upper power levels in One-Punch Man are not on the high herald level. Because everything else is no limits fallacy. Keep in mind that Cosmic Fear Garous attacks were nuke level:
https://imgur.com/a/yCpjGm4

Again, it's an amazing power level, but... does it trump even high herald power? Hell no. And some people are seriously arguing that Cosmic Fear Garou would beat DS Sentry. Or any Sentry for that matter.

(Do you want to argue Saitama farting himself from Jupiter to Earth in few seconds? It takes light around 45 minutes to travel that distance. But such a travel time is still nothing the Sentry hasn't outperformed before.)

4. I also saw Carver stating that Saitama and Garou punched a hole in the universe. That of course is nonsense as well. He was referring to this instance:
https://i.imgur.com/CvSgS22.jpg

That big black dot is where the center of the explosion was. Everything around is the aftermath of the explosion. Carver must be confusing it with the universe and the black dot being a hole, where the stars could have been. Nah. Look at the manga issue and you'll see that the entire space in those scans was constantly pure black.

But you know who did punch a hole in the universe? The Sentry:
https://i.imgur.com/VVsverx.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UpcgtxS.jpg

Wake me up, when anyone in One-Punch Man gets a feat on that level.

You are sorely needed in this thread. I've been holding the fort with Smurph, but we need a real Sentry fan.

🤦🏿

Originally posted by carver9
Or, comics doesn't display speed anywhere close to what anime does. The Surfer is impressive by DC and Marvel standards but it's nothing when you compare it to what I've mentioned.

Him covering an entire moon with after images in one panel, would put this above your Sentry and Surfer showing.

This is the most weebish thing I've read all day. Chillout carver. 😆

It's the truth though.

man these sentry feats really put him in perspective, sentry is much slower than the dc flying bricks