Saitama runs the marvel hardcore gauntlet

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Let's say the handgun can fire bullets at 1200ft/s (about the speed of a 9mm glock 17). Muzzle was about 10 inches away from professor's head and Sentry was about 10feet away from muzzle, prior to the shot. Assume Sentry stopped the bullet about 2 inches away from professor's head (it travel 8 inches total).

The time it takes the bullet to go 8in is t = d/v = (8/12ft)/(1200ft/s) = 1/1800 of a second.

So Sentry accelerated (assuming uniformly)
a = 2d/t^2 = 2(10ft)/(1/1800s)^s = 64800000ft/s^2 NOTE: d =1/2at^2

So Sentry can travel 50ft in
t=sqrt (2d/a) = sqrt(2x50/64800000) = 0.0012 seconds. Or in a millisecond.

Using this acceleration Sentry can obtain lightspeed in an atmosphere in about
t = v/a = (186282x5280ft/s) / (64800000ft/s^2) = 15 seconds

In space he can reach lightspeed in way less time (probably in 1 sec but ill calculate later) since there is little to no drag

Sentry can cover 4 miles in
t = sqrt (2d/a) = sqrt(2x4x5280/64800000) = 0.026 seconds. That's an instant in human perceptions. This doesn't contradict the Punisher vs Sentry scene. A human can typical perceive things at 0.2 of a second at the fastest.

where is magnon to check those math?

if no magnon can we get the discount swedish version?

Originally posted by h1a8
Let's say the handgun can fire bullets at 1200ft/s (about the speed of a 9mm glock 17). Muzzle was about 10 inches away from professor's head and Sentry was about 10feet away from muzzle, prior to the shot. Assume Sentry stopped the bullet about 2 inches away from professor's head (it travel 8 inches total).

The time it takes the bullet to go 8in is t = d/v = (8/12ft)/(1200ft/s) = 1/1800 of a second.

So Sentry accelerated (assuming uniformly)
a = 2d/t^2 = 2(10ft)/(1/1800s)^s = 64800000ft/s^2 [b]NOTE: d =1/2at^2

So Sentry can travel 50ft in
t=sqrt (2d/a) = sqrt(2x50/64800000) = 0.0012 seconds. Or in a millisecond.

Using this acceleration Sentry can obtain lightspeed in an atmosphere in about
t = v/a = (186282x5280ft/s) / (64800000ft/s^2) = 15 seconds

In space he can reach lightspeed in way less time (probably in 1 sec but ill calculate later) since there is little to no drag

Sentry can cover 4 miles in
t = sqrt (2d/a) = sqrt(2x4x5280/64800000) = 0.026 seconds. That's an instant in human perceptions. This doesn't contradict the Punisher vs Sentry scene. A human can typical perceive things at 0.2 of a second at the fastest. [/B]

Thanks for the math. Just one little problem though:

You're limiting the Sentry to the speed of a handgun bullet. The fastest bullet known to us travels at over 4,500 feet. It being the Punisher he probably has access to those weapons, but he still went with even more powered alien technology. (Punisher aimed at Osborn's head and the bullet traveled many, many miles without being affected by wind or showing any signs of drop-off.)

Sentry caught a bullet from such a rifle like it was nothing. Sure, its traveling distance was larger, so he had more time to see it coming and pick it out of the air... but you get my argument. If the Void would have used a gun, which would have fired a 3 times faster bullet, Sentry would have still caught it.

You can't pinpoint Sentrys speed other than saying that for Marvel standards it's ludicrous speed (cue Spaceballs reference).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I am, hence why i said I wouldn't use it. I could, IF we were doing powerscaling, but I want to avoid all that kerfuffle and accusations of hypocrisy. Hence, Gladiator.
I believe Gladiator can accelerate to far higher travelling speeds. But I've never seen Gladiator bounce around like that. I believe Gladiator can achieve higher reflex superspeeds and throw punches at near, if not lightspeeds. But I've never seen Gladiator use his combat superspeed at sustained levels like that. So even if Gladiator could physically accomplish those traveling/reflex/combat superspeeds... I can hardly argue that Gladiator would fight like that in-character in a vs forum battle. Point me to Gladiator's on-panel feats and I'll reconsider.

Even characters who're supposed to be all about flying around at high speeds like Nova Prime or Silver Surfer... I don't see them doing that. Makkari or Monica Rambeau at their best? Maybe. The Flash family and Zoom should be able to. But then there's all the times that AoE rubble/destruction trip them up.

To be frank, I see Gladiator doing something like spinning around like a top and creating a tornado vortex rather than trying to match those speeds.

And in the end, neither Platinum Sperm nor Monsterized Garou hold a candle to Saitama. And before you start, that's not powerscaling. Setting aside everyone acting like Saitama didn't fight Awakened Garou, a further Monsterized Garou's superspeed was utterly useless against a casual one-handed Saitama before he ever ascended to Awakened Garou.

gladiator can outrace photon
shown to fight in nanoseconds
counted 10 billion micro-sentients in jean's body in seconds

what are saitama's speed feats that we can quantify

^ Saitama isn't a photon. This is a fight not a race.
Gladiator can throw a punch in the space of nanoseconds but I've not seen him sustain those speeds in an extended fight.
Gladiator can beat Saitama in a counting contest. I suppose I will concede that. Where is that feat from? Issue #?

You can keep begging the question but I doubt my answer will be taken seriously.

if someone can outrace photon blast he is ftl, kallark dodged galactus in close range
those feats show combat speed, if he can block punches thrown in nanosecond basis then he is fast by any manga/comics standard. that's one billionth of a second, that counting feat was from new x-men 125

his travel speed coincide with his combat speed, he flew 100 times speed of light 40 years ago, he flew from shiar galaxy to asgard in a blink of eye

^ I agree Gladiator can beat Saitama in a race if he's flying.
I agree Gladiator can beat Saitama in a counting contest.
I don't agree Gladiator will omgwtfbbq speedblitz Saitama in a fight.

But y'know, Saitama's feats can't even get both feet in through the front door it seems. And that smacks of hypocrisy. So forgive me if I think my reasoning would fall on deaf ears.

Originally posted by ODG
^ I agree Gladiator can beat Saitama in a race if he's flying.
I agree Gladiator can beat Saitama in a counting contest.
I don't agree Gladiator will omgwtfbbq speedblitz Saitama in a fight.

But y'know, Saitama's feats can't even get both feet in through the front door it seems. And that smacks of hypocrisy. So forgive me if I think my reasoning would fall on deaf ears.

im in the opinion that combat/reaction speed is correlated with travel speed

if not then the likes of surfer would be crash into planets in their intergalactic travel

what is saitama's best speed feat? i haven't read the recent chapters but when saitama was fighting boros he jumped from moon to earth in seconds but that's not even light speed

Originally posted by MrMind
im in the opinion that combat/reaction speed is correlated with travel speed
Originally posted by MrMind
if not then the likes of surfer would be crash into planets in their intergalactic travel

what is saitama's best speed feat? i haven't read the recent chapters but when saitama was fighting boros he jumped from moon to earth in seconds but that's not even light speed

Well if you think travelling speed is combat superspeed, Saitama travelled from Jupiter to Earth instantly. Even if you were to be conservative and think it happened in only a single second, he covered a distance of around 400,000,000 miles in a single second. So that's approximately 2,000x the speed of light.

Originally posted by ODG
Well if you think travelling speed is combat superspeed, Saitama travelled from Jupiter to Earth instantly. Even if you were to be conservative and think it happened in only a single second, he covered a distance of around 400,000,000 miles in a single second. So that's approximately 2,000x the speed of light.

combat speed is not traveo speed but they are correlated

there are not anyone who can fly mftl but slow like retard in combat

lol gladiator flew across galaxies in a blink of an eye

you can't beat kallark in travel speed

what combat speed you got?

^ Not the first time someone demanded combat superspeed feats of me when they cannot even establish the on-panel combat superspeeds of the character they're trying to rep.

I assume it's futile but maybe you'll surprise me and not move the goalposts again.
Show me where Gladiator did something like when Saitama bounced around the debris of Io to overwhelm Awakened Garou.

Originally posted by carver9
Why?
better feats

Originally posted by ODG
^ Not the first time someone demanded combat superspeed feats of me when they cannot even establish the on-panel combat superspeeds of the character they're trying to rep.

I assume it's futile but maybe you'll surprise me and not move the goalposts again.
Show me where Gladiator did something like when Saitama bounced around the debris of Io to overwhelm Awakened Garou.

not saying bouncing around jupiter's moon isn't impressive because it is

Io has 1,821.3 km radius, so this definitely is a impressive feat but how ftl is it we don't know cause we dont know how many debris he bounced on and in what span of time.

i don't see how that is more impressive than dodging galactus photon blast in close range.

but how is it better than nano second reaction and traveling galaxies blink of an eye

you think gladiator can locate and fly straight to asgard if his reaction speed doesn't correlate to his traveling speed?

saitama's speed needs to be quantified for us to discuss whether he is in the league of gladiator or superman/flash

Originally posted by Sin I AM
better feats

Like what?

Originally posted by MrMind
not saying bouncing around jupiter's moon isn't impressive because it is

Io has 1,821.3 km radius, so this definitely is a impressive feat but how ftl is it we don't know cause we dont know how many debris he bounced on and in what span of time.

Go ahead and give us your good faith estimate of how fast Saitama was moving around then. I'm not going to let mere lip service slide. You want to bear down and focus on this, after all.
Originally posted by MrMind
i don't see how that is more impressive than dodging galactus photon blast in close range.

but how is it better than nano second reaction and traveling galaxies blink of an eye

Because Saitama is performing it casually, one-handed, in a sustained fight. I can see Gladiator throwing and even tagging Saitama with a single light speed punch and Saitama tanking it and moving forward.

This is a fight after all. Unless you want to reduce this to how fast someone can throw a punch. Because then we'd just be ignoring Saitama's durability and strength on top of his speed. In a fight thread. Not a racing thread.

Originally posted by MrMind
you think gladiator can locate and fly straight to asgard if his reaction speed doesn't correlate to his traveling speed?
Well I have no reason to believe Kallark wasn't prepared to speed to Asgard. After all, shortly after he beat up Heimdall, his Shiar armies followed. So it was a planned assault. So firstly, Gladiator knew where he was going. Second, even if we assume Kallark spent a single split second to accelerate to Asgard, I believe he knows where Asgard is. Thirdly, he also has telescopic vision. So I assume he (i) prepared to go where he was going, (ii) knew exactly where he was going, and (iii) used his telescopic vision to plan his landing.

Compare that to Saitama who didn't plan on farting. Second, Saitama had a split second to re-orient himself in Earth's direction, let alone directly behind Awakened Garou. Third, Saitama doesn't have telescopic vision AFAIK to help pinpoint where he should go. So Saitama's travelling speed feat is pretty impressive if we consider the full context.

Either way, since you correlate travelling speed with reflex/combat superspeed, you tell me how Saitama travelling 2000x speed of light from Jupiter to Earth should correlate to his reflex/combat superspeeds. Would that correlate to several times FTL reflex/combat superspeeds? Less? Half? 1000x times less FTL? You tell me.

Originally posted by MrMind
saitama's speed needs to be quantified for us to discuss whether he is in the league of gladiator or superman/flash
So go ahead and quantify it by your own standards.

Originally posted by carver9
Like what?

Google "black bolt respect thread" or you can pick up a comic

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Google "black bolt respect thread" or you can pick up a comic

Tell me what makes you think this.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Thanks for the math. Just one little problem though:

You're limiting the Sentry to the speed of a handgun bullet. The fastest bullet known to us travels at over 4,500 feet. It being the Punisher he probably has access to those weapons, but he still went with even more powered alien technology. (Punisher aimed at Osborn's head and the bullet traveled many, many miles without being affected by wind or showing any signs of drop-off.)

Sentry caught a bullet from such a rifle like it was nothing. Sure, its traveling distance was larger, so he had more time to see it coming and pick it out of the air... but you get my argument. If the Void would have used a gun, which would have fired a 3 times faster bullet, Sentry would have still caught it.

You can't pinpoint Sentrys speed other than saying that for Marvel standards it's ludicrous speed (cue Spaceballs reference).

The handgun feat is way more impressive than the rifle feat.
Even if we assume the alien rifle shoots 3-4x faster than a 50bmp rifle.
The 4 mile distance makes Sentry needing only a few seconds to stop the rifle bullet.
The handgun feat allows Sentry to cover that same 4 mile distance in 0.02seconds (instead of more than 4 seconds).

In summary, the handgun feat allows Sentry to travel 4miles in 0.02 seconds in an atmosphere. It allows Sentry to have fraction of a millisecond reactions and perceptions. Trust me, it's a good feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
Trust me
no