Originally posted by Stoic
Evidence points highly toward Count Nefaria losing a significant amount of combat effectiveness when battling characters that are capable of matching or exceeding his speed, and providing that they are actually able to harm him physically. His combat ability is rated a 3 with all of those powers.
Your argument still only works in your head because you're assuming he used speed against Thor. I know why you won't show it.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Then it shouldn't be too hard to properly cite your sources instead of sending us to "Doctor John Campbell" nobody on YouTube, right? 🙂
If the subject interests you, find out more, if not, don’t. We’re all cousins. This should really come as no surprise, but then again what was instilled throughout history forced division. That’s all that I’ll say, as this is not the place.
Originally posted by Stoic
Evidence points highly toward Count Nefaria losing a significant amount of combat effectiveness when battling characters that are capable of matching or exceeding his speed, and providing that they are actually able to harm him physically. His combat ability is rated a 3 with all of those powers.
Yep.
For all his hype, the fact is Team Avengers had very few heavy hitters. Thor was the strongest, Vision a step down, and everyone else was negligible.
Herc could probably solo that Avengers team minus Thor. Hulk has certainly solo'd similar teams many times, yet Herc could go against him.
His combat rating is listed as a 3, without speed it would drop to a 2, and without long range capabilities it would drop even more.
That is a 3 with all powers.
Count Nefaria gloated about how his powers made him superior. Do we now switch it up to pretend as if he wasn’t actively using speed? Of course not.
Originally posted by Stoic
His combat rating is listed as a 3, without speed it would drop to a 2, and without long range capabilities it would drop even more.That is a 3 with all powers.
Count Nefaria gloated about how his powers made him superior. Do we now switch it up to pretend as if he wasn’t actively using speed? Of course not.
They actually showed or implied when he used it. The only one dense here is you using the "logic" you're arguing.
Edit: I see you completely changed your post. Well here's the one I replied to so my response is in context.
"Let’s not be dense. If you’re in a battle and you’re claiming how great your powers are, this automatically means that you are using your powers. Did you really think this through before making that out of character assessment? He was gloating about his powers and how superior that made. Without speed his combat rating would drop to a 2, and without long range capability they would drop some ore.
Herc would punch out his lights."
Originally posted by Delta1938
They actually showed or implied when he used it. The only one dense here is you using the "logic" you're arguing.Edit: I see you completely changed your post. Well here's the one I replied to so my response is in context.
"Let’s not be dense. If you’re in a battle and you’re claiming how great your powers are, this automatically means that you are using your powers. Did you really think this through before making that out of character assessment? He was gloating about his powers and how superior that made. Without speed his combat rating would drop to a 2, and without long range capability they would drop some ore.
Herc would punch out his lights."
Typos caused the change. I still believe that it’s a lack wit analogy on your part. It isn’t as if Count Nefaria turns his powers on and off. It’s like assuming that the reason that Thor hurt him was because he turned his invulnerability off. With all powers Nefaria is listed to have a combat ability score of 3. If we removed speed to the equation, and laser vision, his combat ability would drop even further. That is literally what is being discussed here.
I do not believe that Hercules would defeat Nefaria with full powers, but even at that it wouldn’t be a complete sweep. Herc would have to get lucky to win in that case, but this is not the same thing. Nefaria without any powers literally has a combat rating of between 1-2.
Show me where in the history of humanity has a neophyte level fighter defeated a combat instructor, being mindful that Hercules has more combat skills than wrestling alone.
Originally posted by Delta1938
What a way to get around your inability to back your argument. Show him using his speed. Every other time he used it they had statements or outright showed. By your logic pretty much everyone has super speed in comics.
When he catches the hammer is a speed feat. I thought we covered that?
@ Stoic.....
Although this is not the place for the subject of human genealogy I agree with you, I believe strictly in the Word of God, the Bible, and that Adam and Eve are the parents of human kind as we know it, and it's interesting in as much as you called us all cousins as so all people are connected through them because our Bishop and overseer have preached on this several times describing the white people ( as well as every other ethnicity ) as our.........COUSINS, but as you said that discussion would be for another place and time.
Originally posted by lawest9
@ Stoic.....
Although this is not the place for the subject of human genealogy I agree with you, I believe strictly in the Word of God, the Bible, and that Adam and Eve are the parents of human kind as we know it, and it's interesting in as much as you called us all cousins as so all people are connected through them because our Bishop and overseer have preached on this several times describing the white people ( as well as every other ethnicity ) as our.........COUSINS, but as you said that discussion would be for another place and time.
Well according to biblical canon, we may be in for a very rough time soon as the Euphrates river is drying up. Aside from that, yep not the place.