She-Hulk vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by h1a8
Leaving the Disney show is only proof that she can leave the Disney show. Not anything else.
If it wasn't then she wouldnt need to leave to show to ask another entity to do something. She would have the ability herself as you are implying.

She has no power to change reality. Kevin has limited power to change things in her show or things he's contracted under. This is not her show but a forum fight. Kevin has no power to change anything because he doesn't write the script here.

You been here long enough to know this.

Plus leaving the battlefield will not make her win.

Wrong.

That's for the comic thread. This is the Movie Versus forum. Different rules.

So you have nothing there. Ok

Originally posted by h1a8
So, essentially, you're saying that in a forum fight, the battlefield is within the Disney app, where She-Hulk can leave and go to Kevin to ask him to change something? That's how she wins? She has no other power to change the reality of the battle except through Kevin?

Is this correct? If so, then let's continue. If not, then please address the following points:

1. The forum is not a Disney app. She is not in the Disney app while fighting Wonder Woman. This negates that argument.

2. Kevin has no power over anything except things he is contracted for in Marvel. He can't change anything involving other characters from other companies or any battlefield that doesn't belong to him.

3. Kevin has his own autonomy. He can decide whatever he wants, and there is no guarantee that he would help her win a forum fight.

4. Seeking outside help is not allowed. Leaving the battlefield to get outside assistance violates the rules.

5. She-Hulk does not know Wonder Woman and, in character, would initially try to fight her, which could result in a quick loss.

6. She-Hulk doesn't have the inclination to leave the battlefield and seek Kevin's help to avoid being knocked out. She only sought out Kevin because the plot was nonsensical and ridiculous, not because she was losing a single fight.

You need to address and defeat all six of these arguments (not just five or fewer). Failure to do so results in a concession and the loss of the debate.

1. She-Hulk has broken the 4th wall in comics also. The Disney app is meaningless in this debate. It was just another example.

2. Kevin is meaningless in this debate.

3. Kevin is meaningless in this debate.

4. She doesn't need outside help.

5. Could is not would. Jen could break the 4th wall before the battle even begins.

6. Kevin is meaningless in this debate. She-Hulk broke the 4th wall numerous times proving that the outside environment and characters were oblvious to it.

There. All 6 addressed and defeated.

Originally posted by tkitna
1. She-Hulk has broken the 4th wall in comics also. The Disney app is meaningless in this debate. It was just another example.

2. Kevin is meaningless in this debate.

3. Kevin is meaningless in this debate.

4. She doesn't need outside help.

5. Could is not would. Jen could break the 4th wall before the battle even begins.

6. Kevin is meaningless in this debate. She-Hulk broke the 4th wall numerous times proving that the outside environment and characters were oblvious to it.

There. All 6 addressed and defeated.

Moreover, his point number 4 is invalid, as he is using rules from the comic book forum.

We;re in the Movie Versus forum now:
https://www.killermovies.com/forums/f102/t543649.html

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Moreover, his point number 4 is invalid, as he is using rules from the comic book forum.

We;re in the Movie Versus forum now:
https://www.killermovies.com/forums/f102/t543649.html

Originally posted by tkitna
1. She-Hulk has broken the 4th wall in comics also. The Disney app is meaningless in this debate. It was just another example.

2. Kevin is meaningless in this debate.

3. Kevin is meaningless in this debate.

4. She doesn't need outside help.

5. Could is not would. Jen could break the 4th wall before the battle even begins.

6. Kevin is meaningless in this debate. She-Hulk broke the 4th wall numerous times proving that the outside environment and characters were oblvious to it.

There. All 6 addressed and defeated.

1. This is not comic she hulk. This is a totally different character.
Also comic version only talks to the audience as well. Nothing more.

Why go to Kevin when she has the power to change things herself?

Anyway we use feats. Besides talk to the audience what can she hulk do here to gain an advantage or win. Be specific. Support the argument with feats and onscreen showings.

Originally posted by h1a8

Why go to Kevin when she has the power to change things herself?

Kevin was the guy at the top who can change the story.

She can basically go to the real world in her She-Hulk form, and bully her way to the person in charge of plot development.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. This is not comic she hulk. This is a totally different character.
Also comic version only talks to the audience as well. Nothing more.

Your so dumb it hurts.

Why go to Kevin when she has the power to change things herself?

Because she wanted to know why the ending was so stupid and she gave him a chance to change it. He wasn't going to so she had two options, manipulate himinto changing it or just refusing it. She got her desired results.

Anyway we use feats. Besides talk to the audience what can she hulk do here to gain an advantage or win. Be specific. Support the argument with feats and onscreen showings.

The outside envionment has no affect on her and characters and people are oblivious as to when she does it. She also affects outcomes.

Easy win for her.

Originally posted by tkitna
Your so dumb it hurts.

Because she wanted to know why the ending was so stupid and she gave him a chance to change it. He wasn't going to so she had two options, manipulate himinto changing it or just refusing it. She got her desired results.

The outside envionment has no affect on her and characters and people are oblivious as to when she does it. She also affects outcomes.

Easy win for her.

As far as MCU
You have no proof that the outside environment doesn't affect her when she talks to the audience. An outsider overheard her speaking to the audience and asked what she said, thinking she was talking to them. She simply replied, "nothing."

You have never proven or shown how she can affect outcomes without Kevin's help.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Kevin was the guy at the top who can change the story.

She can basically go to the real world in her She-Hulk form, and bully her way to the person in charge of plot development.

In a forum fight there is no one in charge of plot development. There is no show, movie, cameraman, cgi team, writer, producer, etc.

2nd, that would be leaving the battlefield to go get outside help (which isn't allowed).

Originally posted by h1a8
That's comic She Hulk, which is a different character.
She was only able to tear the page and attempt to talk to the writer.
She had no other power, other than communication with the outside world.

You brought this up.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Also comic version only talks to the audience as well. Nothing more.

I proved you wrong.

As far as MCU
You have no proof that the outside environment doesn't affect her when she talks to the audience. An outsider overheard her speaking to the audience and asked what she said, thinking she was talking to them. She simply replied, "nothing."

She let go of the wheel of a car she was driving for an extended period of time. The car kept driving along as if nothing was going on. She talked the entire time she was being escorted through the office building and the guy nor anybody else had any reactions. That happened on multiple occasions.

You have never proven or shown how she can affect outcomes without Kevin's help.

She affected the ending of her own show. Kevin didn't do anything.

You've lost the debate and are the only one arguing (shocking). Just stop already.

Originally posted by tkitna
You brought this up.

I proved you wrong.

She let go of the wheel of a car she was driving for an extended period of time. The car kept driving along as if nothing was going on. She talked the entire time she was being escorted through the office building and the guy nor anybody else had any reactions. That happened on multiple occasions.

She affected the ending of her own show. Kevin didn't do anything.

You've lost the debate and are the only one arguing (shocking). Just stop already.

She ripped the comic page, the same one where she's talking to the 4th wall.

She let go of the wheel for a few seconds. Did you even watch the show?

The fact that characters don't notice she's talking to the 4th wall doesn't prove anything (one character did notice, thinking she was talking to him).

You need to prove specifically how She-Hulk can win. Provide a specific example of how she could win.

Originally posted by h1a8
In a forum fight there is no one in charge of plot development. There is no show, movie, cameraman, cgi team, writer, producer, etc.

2nd, that would be leaving the battlefield to go get outside help (which isn't allowed).

I don't think forum rules aren't meant to take away legit abilities. Otherwise what you claiming Nightcrawler can't drop a bomb and teleport away for a few seconds before returning to see the outcome?

Either way sounds like you concede She-Hulk wins which is why you don't want to give her access to all her abilities.

Originally posted by h1a8
She ripped the comic page, the same one where she's talking to the 4th wall.

She literally carried John Byrne away breaking the 4th wall.

She let go of the wheel for a few seconds. Did you even watch the show?

It was more than a few seconds. Did you even watch the show?

The fact that characters don't notice she's talking to the 4th wall doesn't prove anything (one character did notice, thinking she was talking to him).

It proves the outside environment is unaware of it when it happens.

You need to prove specifically how She-Hulk can win. Provide a specific example of how she could win.

She changes the outcome to where she wins. Easy peasy.

Spite stomp

Originally posted by tkitna
She literally carried John Byrne away breaking the 4th wall.

It was more than a few seconds. Did you even watch the show?

It proves the outside environment is unaware of it when it happens.

She changes the outcome to where she wins. Easy peasy.

Spite stomp

So far you haven't proven anything. I'm starting to think you are trolling me for fun.

She can only do what she was shown to do. Without an entity like Kevin then all she can do is fight or talk to the audience. Talking to the audience is not changing an outcome.
If she can change outcomes by reality manipulation then she wouldn't have needed to go to Kevin. She could have done it herself.

Lastly breaking the 4th wall is an admission to her not being real, not having superpowers (cgi team), etc. So she gets beat because she is a mere human actress. 😆

Originally posted by h1a8
So far you haven't proven anything. I'm starting to think you are trolling me for fun.

I've proven everything. Your just to dumb to comprehend it.

She can only do what she was shown to do. Without an entity like Kevin then all she can do is fight or talk to the audience. Talking to the audience is not changing an outcome.
If she can change outcomes by reality manipulation then she wouldn't have needed to go to Kevin. She could have done it herself.

She didn't need Kevin for anything. Why can't you understand that? She went to Kevin wondering why the ending was written so bad (an ending that haden't even happened yet mind you). She just basically outsmarted Kevin and tried to get him to do something she could have done. Kevin refused and then realized she changed the ending anyways. Said she ruined it. Try to keep up.

Lastly breaking the 4th wall is an admission to her not being real, not having superpowers (cgi team), etc. So she gets beat because she is a mere human actress. 😆

Breaking the 4th wall is an admission that she has superior abilities and options than almost no other characters have (deadpool, squireel girl, 5d imps, and a few others maybe).

She-Hulk wins in a spite stomp.

Originally posted by tkitna
I've proven everything. Your just to dumb to comprehend it.

She didn't need Kevin for anything. Why can't you understand that? She went to Kevin wondering why the ending was written so bad (an ending that haden't even happened yet mind you). She just basically outsmarted Kevin and tried to get him to do something she could have done. Kevin refused and then realized she changed the ending anyways. Said she ruined it. Try to keep up.

Breaking the 4th wall is an admission that she has superior abilities and options than almost no other characters have (deadpool, squireel girl, 5d imps, and a few others maybe).

She-Hulk wins in a spite stomp.

Saying you proved something does not make it true.

You haven't shown She Hulk changing outcomes by breaking the 4th wall, other than the Kevin scene.

You only shown her driving a few seconds without holding the wheel lmao.
You only shown her talking to the audience.
I even told you there was a time someone caught her talking to the audience (they thought she was talking to them). But you ignored that.

That's all. Nothing more. Everything else is you making stuff up.

Originally posted by h1a8
Saying you proved something does not make it true.

You haven't shown She Hulk changing outcomes by breaking the 4th wall, other than the Kevin scene.

You only shown her driving a few seconds without holding the wheel lmao.
You only shown her talking to the audience.
I even told you there was a time someone caught her talking to the audience (they thought she was talking to them). But you ignored that.

That's all. Nothing more. Everything else is you making stuff up.

Why is it in every single thread you are the only one arguing about something thats wrong? Has anybody ever agreed with you about anything?

Saying I haven't doesn't make it true either. Your the only person not understanding anything.

How many outcomes does she need to change for you to believe it? Wasn't one proof enough for you that she can do it?

She talked for about 15 seconds while the car was driving itself on a busy road or highway without a care in the world because she knew nothing was going to happen to her.

I gave examples of her breaking reality with the Disney page and the writers, a different outcome to the ending, and numerous times where the audience was oblivious to her breaking the 4th wall yet you are dead set about one person asking her what she said because she slipped back in.

Again, you need to stop this constant arguing in every thread just so you can hear yourself talk. Not one person ever sides with you. It's embarrassing.

Originally posted by h1a8
In addition to the movie vs rules Impediment stated that we use the same rules as the comic vs forum (no leaving the battlefield to get outside help, etc). Number 4 is a typo. I meant to type She doesn't get outside help.

No he doesn't. You are flat out wrong on this: he links to the generic rules which state no under 13s etc.

Not the comic book Vs rules. Feel free to show where he does what you claim.

Originally posted by tkitna
Why is it in every single thread you are the only one arguing about something thats wrong? Has anybody ever agreed with you about anything?

Saying I haven't doesn't make it true either. Your the only person not understanding anything.

How many outcomes does she need to change for you to believe it? Wasn't one proof enough for you that she can do it?

She talked for about 15 seconds while the car was driving itself on a busy road or highway without a care in the world because she knew nothing was going to happen to her.

I gave examples of her breaking reality with the Disney page and the writers, a different outcome to the ending, and numerous times where the audience was oblivious to her breaking the 4th wall yet you are dead set about one person asking her what she said because she slipped back in.

Again, you need to stop this constant arguing in every thread just so you can hear yourself talk. Not one person ever sides with you. It's embarrassing.

I drove sleeping in a car for more than 15 seconds. I survived.
That's not proof of anything.

There are 0 examples of her changing outcomes by breaking the 4th wall. The only example where the plot changed was through Kevin.
But you claimed that she doesn't need Kevin. But you showed no examples of her changing outcome due to breaking the 4th wall.

Originally posted by h1a8
I drove sleeping in a car for more than 15 seconds. I survived.
That's not proof of anything.

Firstly if you were asleep then you weren't counting the seconds.

Secondly you "surviving" is no where near the feat she had of her car just casually driving itself under full control without her steering.

I also fell asleep at the wheel once presumably for a few seconds and woke up in the other lane (dual carriageway so there weren't cars driving towards me). I also survived but that rightly scared the crud out of me.

You're being idiotic as usual.