She-Hulk vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No he doesn't. You are flat out wrong on this: he links to the generic rules which state no under 13s etc.

Not the comic book Vs rules. Feel free to show where he does what you claim.

You can ask him.
In particular I remember years ago a mod (most likely him) stating such

Also i asked him the following :

The movie vs forum share the same rules as the comic vs forum as far as
1. Full capacity (characters will fight to the best of their ability as shown before).
2. Bfr the opposing character to win is allowed
3. Characters can't purposely leave the battlefield
4. Characters can't get outside help from individuals or sentient entities or items.

He replied :

That’s always been the norm, yes

It's not in the rules thread. I can link you to it if you want? Until it's codified there, it's invalid. See I can do the same:

I asked him:

Is H1 always wrong?

He replied:

That's always the case, no exceptions, unless he agrees with you DS

Then there is the problematic nature of your personal list there:

Item #4 in your list means Thor doesn't get Mjolnir in threads. We know it's sentient as seen in Love and Thunder.

Item #3 necessitates a definition of what the battlefield is. Is it a boxing ring? The state of California? The Earth? Without one stated, in She-Hulk's case, all of fiction is her playground.

Same with item #2. No battlefield is stated here. If say, Flash fought Thor, merely throwing Flash 2 miles away does nothing to a guy who can run back in 0.0000001 seconds, for example. But if Flash carried Thor and deposited him 2 miles away, and he didn't have Mjolnir or Heimdall couldn't send the Bifrost to help him or he could use Stormbreaker, then that exact 2 miles is a BFR. Unless you defined earlier what the battlefield was (for example, 5 miles).

So no. It's not in the rules thread, so I reject it and at this point, you are still flat out wrong.

Even if you posted that list as is in the thread, it is still wrong as I can put one holes in it unless and until Imp sits down and writes a thorough and ironclad list of rules.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's not in the rules thread. I can link you to it if you want? Until it's codified there, it's invalid. See I can do the same:

I asked him:

He replied:

Then there is the problematic nature of your personal list there:

Item #4 in your list means Thor doesn't get Mjolnir in threads. We know it's sentient as seen in Love and Thunder.

Item #3 necessitates a definition of what the battlefield is. Is it a boxing ring? The state of California? The Earth? Without one stated, in She-Hulk's case, all of fiction is her playground.

Same with item #2. No battlefield is stated here. If say, Flash fought Thor, merely throwing Flash 2 miles away does nothing to a guy who can run back in 0.0000001 seconds, for example. But if Flash carried Thor and deposited him 2 miles away, and he didn't have Mjolnir or Heimdall couldn't send the Bifrost to help him or he could use Stormbreaker, then that exact 2 miles is a BFR. Unless you defined earlier what the battlefield was (for example, 5 miles).

So no. It's not in the rules thread, so I reject it and at this point, you are still flat out wrong.

Even if you posted that list as is in the thread, it is still wrong as I can put one holes in it unless and until Imp sits down and writes a thorough and ironclad list of rules.

Mjolnir is standard equipment that Thor always has on him.
Sentient was only part of the stipulation. It in itself doesn't break the rules.
Leaving the battlefield to go get outside help violates the spirit of the debate. It's not character A vs character B anymore. It's character A and their team with outside resources against character B. That's stupid.

Horizon to horizon in a neutral universe is the battlefield unless stated otherwise.

Kevin doesn't exist in the neutral universe.

Plus Kevin only has power over CERTAIN aspects of the MCU. Plus in areas where he does have power invoking him only makes her powerless (just a human actress) as the things he mentions is that she is an actress, it's a show, cgi team, etc.

Lol at you poking holes. That's impossible. You are just reaching.

Since you think the comic vs rules aren't ironclad, I dare you go over there and argue that a character can leave the battlefield only to go get outside help.

Originally posted by h1a8
Mjolnir is standard equipment that Thor always has on him.
Sentient was only part of the stipulation. It in itself doesn't break the rules.
Leaving the battlefield to go get outside help violates the spirit of the debate. It's not character A vs character B anymore. It's character A and their team with outside resources against character B. That's stupid.

Horizon to horizon in a neutral universe is the battlefield unless stated otherwise.

Kevin doesn't exist in the neutral universe.

Plus Kevin only has power over CERTAIN aspects of the MCU. Plus in areas where he does have power invoking him only makes her powerless (just a human actress) as the things he mentions is that she is an actress, it's a show, cgi team, etc.

Lol at you poking holes. That's impossible. You are just reaching.

Since you think the comic vs rules aren't ironclad, I dare you go over there and argue that a character can leave the battlefield only to go get outside help.

Sure, am happy to argue their rules aren't ironclad. I havedone so many times.

But the main point remains, despite your shifting around. Movie VS forumrules do not, and never have, said anything about BFR or leaving the battlefield (despite your lies that they did). In future, who knows - Imp can add any rules he wants - but as of right now, rules around leaving the battlefield, the battlefield itself, is not defined. I know the rules sections well - several of the comic rules were put in thanks to myself (check the rules on superspeed and Hulk/Hercs as an example, or WWH /Hulk versions).

So you are flat out wrong. Movie Vs forum rules don't specify the battlefield, or BFR. Imp links only to generic general forum rules.

As for KEVIN being present or not, i already addressed this in my initial posts.

It being stupid or not is irrelevant. You brought rules into this, soI'm showing you that you are easily defeated on this.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sure, am happy to argue their rules aren't ironclad. I havedone so many times.

But the main point remains, despite your shifting around. Movie VS forumrules do not, and never have, said anything about BFR or leaving the battlefield (despite your lies that they did). In future, who knows - Imp can add any rules he wants - but as of right now, rules around leaving the battlefield, the battlefield itself, is not defined. I know the rules sections well - several of the comic rules were put in thanks to myself (check the rules on superspeed and Hulk/Hercs as an example, or WWH /Hulk versions).

So you are flat out wrong. Movie Vs forum rules don't specify the battlefield, or BFR. Imp links only to generic general forum rules.

As for KEVIN being present or not, i already addressed this in my initial posts.

It being stupid or not is irrelevant. You brought rules into this, soI'm showing you that you are easily defeated on this.

I already told you that mods already stated that we use the same rules as the comic vs forum (no leaving the battlefield, no getting outside help, etc). They said this years ago and just recently.
I even quoted them. You are not above a mod.

Specifically, characters can not leave the battlefield to go get outside help from someone else.

Otherwise the thread isn't character A vs character B anymore.

Rules involving leaving the battlefield to go get outside help from another entity are ironclad.

Originally posted by h1a8
I already told you that mods already stated that we use the same rules as the comic vs forum (no leaving the battlefield, no getting outside help, etc). They said this years ago and just recently.
I even quoted them. You are not above a mod.

Specifically, characters can not leave the battlefield to go get outside help from someone else.

Otherwise the thread isn't character A vs character B anymore.

Rules involving leaving the battlefield to go get outside help from another entity are ironclad.

It's not in the rules thread. Anything else is just a mod making a post, same as anyone else.

If it's a rule, then have it in the rules thread. If it's not there, it's not. Simples.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's not in the rules thread. Anything else is just a mod making a post, same as anyone else.

If it's a rule, then have it in the rules thread. If it's not there, it's not. Simples.

There have been numerous instances where moderators have made rulings without officially updating the rule section.

But I digress.

We all have common sense. When you argue against it, you're essentially trolling.

Using common sense, it's clear that in a "Character A vs. Character B" thread, arguing that one character would leave the battlefield to seek outside help undermines the spirit of the debate and the original poster's intentions.

Furthermore, that's just one of many issues. Here are a few more:

1. She-Hulk doesn't know Wonder Woman or her power level. She-Hulk doesn't have a history of abandoning the battlefield before a fight or to avoid being knocked out.

2. KEVIN only has the power to alter scripts for movies or shows he's contracted under. For instance, in a forum fight where there's no script to change, he has no authority over scripts from other universes (like DC) or even parts of the MCU he's not involved with.

3. KEVIN exists solely within the MCU. He doesn't exist in other universes.

4. She-Hulk isn't in the MCU or the Disney+ app universe in this context.

5. KEVIN has his own agency. He's not obligated to alter any script to prevent She-Hulk from being knocked out in a forum fight.

etc.

Originally posted by h1a8
There have been numerous instances where moderators have made rulings without officially updating the rule section.

But I digress.

We all have common sense. When you argue against it, you're essentially trolling.

Using common sense, it's clear that in a "Character A vs. Character B" thread, arguing that one character would leave the battlefield to seek outside help undermines the spirit of the debate and the original poster's intentions.

Furthermore, that's just one of many issues. Here are a few more:

1. She-Hulk doesn't know Wonder Woman or her power level. She-Hulk doesn't have a history of abandoning the battlefield before a fight or to avoid being knocked out.

2. KEVIN only has the power to alter scripts for movies or shows he's contracted under. For instance, in a forum fight where there's no script to change, he has no authority over scripts from other universes (like DC) or even parts of the MCU he's not involved with.

3. KEVIN exists solely within the MCU. He doesn't exist in other universes.

4. She-Hulk isn't in the MCU or the Disney+ app universe in this context.

5. KEVIN has his own agency. He's not obligated to alter any script to prevent She-Hulk from being knocked out in a forum fight.

etc.

Now after all that, you have nothing. As of my original post, and as of this post, it's not part of the rules. So no, she can freely leave the battlefield, as undefined as it is.

Come back when Imp changes something in the rules thread to something ironclad 😂

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Again, you shifted your goalposts, originally claiming it was in the rule thread, then that it was in the generic forum rules thread, and now you're basing it on.....a private convo lmao.

Now after all that, you have nothing. As of my original post, and as of this post, it's not part of the rules. So no, she can freely leave the battlefield, as undefined as it is.

Come back when Imp changes something in the rules thread to something ironclad 😂

With that said, You have to address all 6 of the problems. Addressing only one still loses for you.

Originally posted by h1a8
Like I said, arguing against common sense and what a mod said is trolling.

With that said, You have to address all 6 of the problems. Addressing only one still loses for you.

So ignoring the lying you did then?

Originally posted by h1a8

2. Leaving the battlefield has always been the rules.

And:

Originally posted by h1a8
In addition to the movie vs rules Impediment stated that we use the same rules as the comic vs forum (no leaving the battlefield to get outside help, etc).

This is just flat out wrong.

Arguing against a mod isn't trolling either, and never has been, unless you want to paint mods as intransigent walls who can't be talked to. I myself have argued against several mods, who are perfectly happy to defend their position and disagree with me. Doesn't make me a troll to debate on a debate site.

The battlefield isn't defined, so She-Hulk cannot be said to be leaving it. Even if it was defined, her leaving it isn't a loss as no rules state that it is, especially since she can easily come back. I will keep on this point, despite your attempts to wriggle out.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So ignoring the lying you did then?

And:

This is just flat out wrong.

Arguing against a mod isn't trolling either, and never has been, unless you want to paint mods as intransigent walls who can't be talked to. I myself have argued against several mods, who are perfectly happy to defend their position and disagree with me. Doesn't make me a troll to debate on a debate site.

The battlefield spans from horizon to horizon within a neutral universe, meaning characters cannot go beyond the horizon to escape the fight or travel to other universes to seek outside help. This is a well-defined rule.

You seem to be the only one on KMC who believes that a character can leave the battlefield to get outside assistance without violating the debate's premise of Character A vs. Character B. In other words, you interpret a forum fight as allowing either character to leave and bring in others to secure a win.

Even though you're mistaken on this point, the debate was still lost due to the other five arguments presented.

Originally posted by h1a8
The battlefield spans from horizon to horizon within a neutral universe, meaning characters cannot go beyond the horizon to escape the fight or travel to other universes to seek outside help. This is a well-defined rule.

You seem to be the only one on KMC who believes that a character can leave the battlefield to get outside assistance without violating the debate's premise of Character A vs. Character B. In other words, you interpret a forum fight as allowing either character to leave and bring in others to secure a win.

Even though you're mistaken on this point, the debate was still lost due to the other five arguments presented.

Again, this is a rule only in the comic Vs forum. Not the movie Vs forum, which is where we are right now. Well-defined, yes - applicable here, no.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Again, this is a rule only in the comic Vs forum. Not the movie Vs forum, which is where we are right now. Well-defined, yes - applicable here, no.

Originally posted by h1a8

Even though you're mistaken on this point, the debate was still lost due to the other five arguments presented.

But I'm not addressing the entire thing (even though I already did on like page 2, preempting you) - I am pointing out that you are wrong on the forum rules here, and worse, have lied and are doubling down on it.

Which calls your position into question. It's easily verifiable - anyone can go to the Movie Versus rule thread to see which of us is correct.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But I'm not addressing the entire thing (even though I already did on like page 2, preempting you) - I am pointing out that you are wrong on the forum rules here, and worse, have lied and are doubling down on it.

Which calls your position into question. It's easily verifiable - anyone can go to the Movie Versus rule thread to see which of us is correct.

You were informed of the moderator's stance, and it's clear that your approach goes against the spirit and intention of the debate. Therefore, there's no need to discuss that issue further. The other five points, which you haven't addressed, remain valid and make that option untenable. In essence, this means you've conceded the debate.

Originally posted by h1a8
You were informed of the moderator's stance, and it's clear that your approach goes against the spirit and intention of the debate. Therefore, there's no need to discuss that issue further. The other five points, which you haven't addressed, remain valid and make that option untenable. In essence, this means you've conceded the debate.

Moreover, you specifically lied and doubled down on this lie. Nowhere in the rules say what you say, despite you explicitly trying to lie to us about it (and I knew this, when I asked).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The moderator's views remain just that - their views.
Until they are in the rules thread, they're just his opinions, nothing more.

Moreover, you specifically lied and doubled down on this lie. Nowhere in the rules say what you say, despite you explicitly trying to lie to us about it (and I knew this, when I asked).

A mod can make a ruling without it being in the rules. You should know that from the comic vs forum.
A mod made the ruling years ago. I don't remember the thread. When I asked IMP he said "YES" and "THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE NORM".
As in past tense. It's nothing new. Who lied?

Originally posted by h1a8
A mod can make a ruling without it being in the rules. You should know that from the comic vs forum.
A mod made the ruling years ago. I don't remember the thread. When I asked IMP he said "YES" and "THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE NORM".
As in past tense. It's nothing new. Who lied?

Source: "trust me bro"

I think I vaguely remember what he's referring to, but without quoting it we can't confirm exactly what the mod said. And as DS has mentioned, even if it was said it was just a ruling at that time for that thread.

Having said that I don't buy for a second that characters can't use their main abilities to win a fight, just because it might mean leaving the battlefield for a second. I mean going by this Nightcrawler or Azazel can't drop people from the sky (like Azazel kept doing in First Class). Or Flash can't run around the world in a few seconds to do super punch like he did to Luthor-Braniac in JLU.

KMC Mods are know-nothing-ass-clowns 🙂

So it'd still with onscreen feats and common sense 👆

Originally posted by h1a8
A mod can make a ruling without it being in the rules. You should know that from the comic vs forum.
A mod made the ruling years ago. I don't remember the thread. When I asked IMP he said "YES" and "THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE NORM".
As in past tense. It's nothing new. Who lied?

Nope, even in the comic forum, unless it's in the rules thread it's just their views. I know this because I had to go through these hoops to get my Hercs ruling codified, and my superspeed ruling, and my Hulk incarnations ruling, etc.

Mods have to make a ruling, and to do so it has to be in the stickied rules thread.

Until then, it is not a rule. It's just their opinion, their view. Much like Gala's view that all of DC is canon, or that there is only one Mxy. Much like -Pr-'s view that carver is an idiot and a troll, or that Superman has dynamic strength and speed - if all these posts that they've made are truly 'forum tules' just because a mod said them, most 'debates' would have been killed off on page 1.