Zod vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by TGATES
In order to intercept an object, you must arrive at the location where it will be simultaneously or before it arrives. This frequently means that you have to travel farther in less time than the thing you are intercepting.

For instance, if you have to intercept a missile moving at 1,000 mph, you have to go more quickly than 1,000 mph to get to the interception site in time.

In intercepting scenarios, reaction time affects the accuracy of predicting the interception point. A slower reaction time necessitates higher speeds to ensure the interceptor reaches the correct position in time.

Intercepting an object typically requires a higher initial speed to reach the interception point in time. Chasing an object requires a speed greater than the object’s speed but does not necessarily require increasing your speed once you are faster than the object.

For instance, if you have to intercept a missile moving at 1,000 mph, you have to go more quickly than 1,000 mph to get to the interception site in time.

If a missile travels 1000mph and is 1000 miles from target, it will hit target in 1 hour.

So... if you're 10 feet from target... you're saying that you need to move at 1000mph to intercept that missile?

Originally posted by Smurph
That's fine, but those feats don't establish her speed relative to Zod.

They don't even establish her speed relative to Kal or Flash. Her ability to intercept something doesn't make her faster than someone who fails to outrun the same thing.

So "Could Zod outrun the omega beams?" is a useless metric.

To intercept a light beam, you would need to match its speed, which means traveling at c. Or, in the case of the Omega beam or HV examples, to intercept said beams and/or HV, Diana has to be FTL.

She blocks HV at close range as well.

Again, we have to prove that at full capacity, even with accelerated perceptions, Zod can move faster than Diana can react since his greatest asset in the fight seems to be the speed blitz.

Originally posted by Smurph
What?

Oh really?

If a missile travels 1000mph and is 1000 miles from target, it will hit target in 1 hour.

So... if you're 10 feet from target... you're saying that you need to move at 1000mph to intercept that missile?

This is not relevant to any of the scenarios discussed since the distance is not 1000 miles.

Originally posted by TGATES
This is not relevant to any of the scenarios discussed since the distance is not 1000 miles.

You said:

you have to intercept a missile moving at 1,000 mph, you have to go more quickly than 1,000 mph to get to the interception site in time.

Are we agreed that you were obviously wrong?

Originally posted by Smurph
I'm working within the framework of your hypothetical. I didn't choose 1000mph.

You said:

Are we agreed that you were obviously wrong?

The distance between the interceptor and the target, as well as the distance between the missile and the target, affects the time available for interception. Shorter distances require higher speeds to intercept the missile before it reaches the target.

If the missile is 10 feet away from the target and traveling at 1000 mph, and you are 500 feet away, you would need to move at a speed of approximately 49,000 mph to intercept the missile before it reaches the target. This extremely high speed is necessary to cover the much greater distance to the target in the very short available time.

Clear?

It's safe to say that interception and the subsequent reaction-time have to be far greater than movement speeds depending on distance factors.

Originally posted by TGATES
The distance between the interceptor and the target, as well as the distance between the missile and the target, affects the time available for interception. Shorter distances require higher speeds to intercept the missile before it reaches the target.

If the missile is 10 feet away from the target and traveling at 1000 mph, and you are 500 feet away, you would need to move at a speed of approximately 49,000 mph to intercept the missile before it reaches the target. This extremely high speed is necessary to cover the much greater distance to the target in the very short available time.

Clear?

Could you do the math on that?

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WW most likely was going far faster than light here to get to Clark before the beams.

What makes that "most likely far faster than light" in your opinion?

It was a football tackle of Clark, for starters, so let's dispense with the reaction time argument (but we can get to that after, just one thing at a time)

Originally posted by Smurph
What makes that "most likely far faster than light" in your opinion?

It was a football tackle of Clark, for starters, so let's dispense with the reaction time argument (but we can get to that after, just one thing at a time)

Clark flew from Planet Trotha to their sun to intercept some beams. WW flew all the way from Planet Trotha to the sun to intercept Clark, so she had to be going faster than that beam, and Clark in that moment given the greater speed needed to reach that point in space at the time needed.

The nature of WW speed can't be dismissed, nor can it be fully explained.

That is the issue here.

Originally posted by TGATES
Clark flew from Planet Trotha to their sun to intercept some beams. WW flew all the way from Planet Trotha to the sun to intercept Clark, so she had to be going faster than that beam, and Clark in that moment given the greater speed needed to reach that point in space at the time needed.

The nature of WW speed can't be dismissed, nor can it be fully explained.

That is the issue here.

Clark flew from Trotha's surface to space, just outside Trotha. So did Diana. Neither flew to the sun.

The beam was travelling from a space freighter to the sun. Neither Clark nor Diana's speed can be measured relative to the beam. And we have no idea how fast it was travelling. It was a bunch of souls.

Also, Trotha isn't a planet, it's a rogue comet with a "micro-sun". Nobody has any idea what the distance is between a rogue comet and its micro-sun.

You are trolling and lying and also bad at basic math.

Originally posted by carver9
There's a difference. Amazo was facing WW and lost track of her. The scans you're mentioning are obvious backstabs. Humongous difference

Not relevant in Black Canary's case. He knew exactly who it was who had jumped on his back, lol. He was just unable to come up with a tactic in time before she blew his head off.

Originally posted by TGATES
To intercept a light beam, you would need to match its speed, which means traveling at [B] c. Or, in the case of the Omega beam or HV examples, to intercept said beams and/or HV, Diana has to be FTL.

She blocks HV at close range as well.

Again, we have to prove that at full capacity, even with accelerated perceptions, Zod can move faster than Diana can react since his greatest asset in the fight seems to be the speed blitz. [/B]

I intercept light beams on a daily basis, no one tells me I'm that special.

Originally posted by Smurph
Does the additional sun make him faster?

Either way, the broader point is just that Diana's speed is vaunted and she was wayyyyy more appearances and yet no real clear cut blitzes like that.

Didn't Zod statue Mongul while Mongul was looking right at him? And yet, when Diana fights Mongul...........

Weird how this point never got addressed.

Originally posted by Smurph
lol, bullshit

Clark flew from Trotha's surface to space, just outside Trotha. So did Diana. Neither flew to the sun.

The beam was traveling from a space freighter to the sun. Neither Clark nor Diana's speed can be measured relative to the beam. And we have no idea how fast it was traveling. It was a bunch of souls.

Also, Trotha isn't a planet, it's a rogue comet with a "micro-sun". Nobody has any idea what the distance is between a rogue comet and its micro-sun.

You are trolling and lying and also bad at basic math.

Accelerated perceptions cannot indicate Zod's speed, nor can they indicate that it would matter in a fight with Diana.

All she has to do is react to a blitz. This will be easy with her FTL reaction time and warrior training. I suspect you don't have to be FTL to do anything that Zod has been depicted as doing, but you do have to be FTL to intercept, say, the Omega beams, which are directly scaled to both Superman's and Flash's speed.

I'd say WW can definitely react to a blitz from Zod and counter for the majority.

It's not just accelerated perceptions though when engaging in a superspeed conversation. It's perception, but also reactions, and movement, all of this is involved when talking. And it's indicative in DC that WW, for all her vaunted speed, has no showings that all speedsters have, that Zod and Superman etc have with having extended conversations in superspeed mode.

Originally posted by TGATES
Accelerated perceptions cannot indicate Zod's speed, nor can they indicate that it would matter in a fight with Diana.

All she has to do is react to a blitz. This will be easy with her FTL reaction time and warrior training. I suspect you don't have to be FTL to do anything that Zod has been depicted as doing, but you do have to be FTL to intercept, say, the Omega beams, which are directly scaled to both Superman's and Flash's speed.

I'd say WW can definitely react to a blitz from Zod and counter for the majority.

If only Wonder Woman were written like this more often.

Absolute WW is in my top 5 on the stands atm. Its first 3 issues are so good.

Originally posted by Smurph

If only Wonder Woman were written like this more often.

I see what you did there 😉

Yes, she would definitely do great at Gonzo, LegalPorno and AnalVids:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's not just accelerated perceptions though when engaging in a superspeed conversation. It's perception, but also reactions, and movement, all of this is involved when talking. And it's indicative in DC that WW, for all her vaunted speed, has no showings that all speedsters have, that Zod and Superman etc have with having extended conversations in superspeed mode.

Im trying to see how this matters to someone who can block close range machine gun fire from every direction or who is fast enough to block the Omega beams and HV. Remember, she has to be faster than the attack to block it. This is especially true once you close the distance. She would have to be several times faster than HV to be able to use her hands to block it in combat.

Why wouldn't she be able to react to an initial blitz, parry, and decapitate Zod (if weapons are allowed) at full capacity?

To notice the dilation to the extent explained in comics, they would have to be moving at almost light speed. But to do what WW does, she would need to be several times faster than light. Granted, this is poorly explained in comics.