Zod vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by carver9
The showing is proof as well. We see Diana wrap Supergirl up (mind you, this version of Supergirl speed fts piss on Zod) before she could react. Supergirl even questions her speed against Diana (who was holding back). She didn't even know how she got wrapped up...

Thanks for the scan. Zod gets wrapped TF up as well. Wonder Woman won't be standing around talking while it happens. A quick stab would do the job.

The scan literally says how WW won because Kara fought like a child.

I am pretty sure I can beat any MMA fighter when they are fighting without skill, like a kid (and not like.... an experienced streetfighting kid lmao).

As for solar flare:

What stops Zod from using HV blasts wide enough to level buildings? https://imgur.com/Jrjf48s

Originally posted by carver9
You literally show Diana not trying to hurt Aquaman and is talking to him. This isn't the type of fight you want it to be... 😆

So why didn't it work?

Originally posted by Smurph
And if it was Zod instead of Supergirl, he could have killed her.

There are numerous instances of the lasso straight up failing against Kryptonians. It can help dispel illusions (sometimes) but it isn't the mindphuck device you claim. The feats simply aren't there.

So the scans I posted isn't enough to show that it has control over people? Mind illusions = check, Mind control = check. I posted it, you just don't want to accept it. Then you keep mentioning Psi attacks for a magical weapon 🤦🏿. Then you post a scan of Wonder Woman wrapping a Kryptonian up who has better speed fts than Zod. This same Supergirl was even questioning Wonder Woman speed vs Flash and got knocked TF out. Nice scan by the way.

Originally posted by Smurph
Yeah, she was trying to use the lasso to subdue him so she wouldn't hurt him.

So why didn't it work?

Because she wasn't trying to use the lasso to subdue him. Whyre you ignoring the scans I posted but is accepting that one scene where Zod punched Supergirl. Youre riding TF outta that one punch and him punching a blind Superman (who was holding back per Zod own words), but completely ignoring Diana showings. There has to be a word for this type of debating.

Originally posted by Smurph
And if it was Zod instead of Supergirl, he could have killed her.

There are numerous instances of the lasso straight up failing against Kryptonians. It can help dispel illusions (sometimes) but it isn't the mindphuck device you claim. The feats simply aren't there.

Zod doesn't have a solar flare. Supergirl couldn't move at all, so she used the only thing that could help her. Are you saying Diana would be walking around an immovable Zod talking to him instead of just stabbing him to death? Is that what you're saying.

I showed you instances of Kryptonians being unable to get out of it as well. Heck, you even posted a scan of Supergirl being wrapped up before she knew what happened. Hey, let's accept that one punch showing from Zod though and him fighting a blind holding back Superman. Ya got me there.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also:

Originally posted by carver9
Zod doesn't have a solar flare. Supergirl couldn't move at all, so she used the only thing that could help her. Are you saying Diana would be walking around an immovable Zod talking to him instead of just stabbing him to death? Is that what you're saying.

I showed you instances of Kryptonians being unable to get out of it as well. Heck, you even posted a scan of Supergirl being wrapped up before she knew what happened. Hey, let's accept that one punch showing from Zod though and him fighting a blind holding back Superman. Ya got me there.

Originally posted by Smurph
also:

Supergirl did that AFTER solar flaring her. AAAAFFFFTTTTEEERRRRR!!! If she didn't use the solar flare, something that Zod doesn't have, she would've still been tied up.

Why are you posting Wonder Woman vs Power girl when WW was holding back? When she got serious, PG couldn't even touch her. She was holding back, trying to reason with her. I literally showed you a scan of her wrapping PG up when she wanted to.

So, these are the arguments you've brought to the table so far. Zod punches Supergirl, so he wins.

Zod endured punches from a holding back blind Superman, so he wins.

Zod punched Mongul who wasn't even fighting him, so he wins.

Is this all it takes to beat someone?

Originally posted by Smurph
We've asked at least four times now what happens if Zod just unleashes hit vision in blasts wide enough to level skyscrapers. You keep dodging the point because you can't answer it.

This is what happens. The fight starts, Wonder Woman wraps him up just like she did faster than Zod Supergirl, faster than Zod Zoom, faster than Zod Flash, he cant move and she stabs him. Pretty simple tactic. She either controls him with the lasso or make him see visions with it. Zod is vulnerable to magic and I've even posted that, so the lasso will have an effect. Wrap, illusions, stab.

Originally posted by carver9
Supergirl did that AFTER solar flaring her. AAAAFFFFTTTTEEERRRRR!!! If she didn't use the solar flare, something that Zod doesn't have, she would've still been tied up.

Re: solar flare, I'm still waiting to hear what stops Diana from being nuked with wide blast heat vision.

Originally posted by carver9
Yep, I was right. He was strategically fighting while in this state and even recognized Diana as a threat and left (was getting that a** whipped yet again)...

Just to note here - this was what was in Superman's mind at the time (WW is Granny Goodness, in his mind):

It wasn't him consciously fighting strategically, lmao. Not that it matters, but another showing of WW's lasso failing. MMH's hypothesis that he was fighting strategically was way off the mark - silly Martian!!

Oh wait, and another time:

Maxwell Lord just straight up saying no to her, even when she asks - demands, even - twice lmao.

Originally posted by carver9
This is what happens. The fight starts, Wonder Woman wraps him up just like she did faster than Zod Supergirl, faster than Zod Zoom, faster than Zod Flash, he cant move and she stabs him. Pretty simple tactic. She either controls him with the lasso or make him see visions with it. Zod is vulnerable to magic and I've even posted that, so the lasso will have an effect. Wrap, illusions, stab.

There isn't a single fight where Wonder Woman was able to move fast enough to lasso her peer before they traded blows.

Supergirl? They fought, she tried, she failed, she tried again, got solar flared.

PG? Simply dodged it.

Superman? Only worked because he was mind controlled to solely focused on Batman. And then the lasso did nothing.

Superman again? Simply dodged it.

And here you've specified that speed is equal. So this scenario is just Carver fantasy, unmoored from the comics.

Which means that this is all a giant concession that if she trades blows with Zod, she loses.

Originally posted by carver9
This is what happens. The fight starts, Wonder Woman wraps him up just like she did faster than Zod Supergirl, faster than Zod Zoom, faster than Zod Flash, he cant move and she stabs him. Pretty simple tactic. She either controls him with the lasso or make him see visions with it. Zod is vulnerable to magic and I've even posted that, so the lasso will have an effect. Wrap, illusions, stab.

Zoom isn't faster, rather, he travels through time.

Flash was lassoed because he was super predictable, like a starfish. Or he was not operating at full cpacity (Memno had stolen his memories of how his powers worked).

OTOH:

Zod has better feats than Dalan.

Originally posted by Smurph
Reread the comic. Supergirl did that before solar flaring her. Wonder Woman lassoed her and she simply took the lasso off.

Re: solar flare, I'm still waiting to hear what stops Diana from being nuked with wide blast heat vision.

Talking about this scene?

She wasn't using the way I'm saying she would. Also, she held back in this entire fight. Read the scan by the way (she's too fast). When Wonder Woman wanted to subdue her, she did exactly that.

She doesn't have to worry about a wide nuke because he would be dead during the onset of the fight. She's fast enough to wrap him and she's fast enough to stab him while he's wrapped.

Originally posted by Smurph
except you've said that speed is a wash.

There isn't a single fight where Wonder Woman was able to move fast enough to lasso her peer before they traded blows.

Supergirl? They fought, she tried, she failed, she tried again, got solar flared.

PG? Simply dodged it.

Superman? Only worked because he was mind controlled to solely focused on Batman. And then the lasso did nothing.

Superman again? Simply dodged it.

And here you've specified that speed is equal. So this scenario is just Carver fantasy, unmoored from the comics.

Which means that this is all a giant concession that if she trades blows with Zod, she loses.

Yeah, flight speed is a wash. Diana has FAR better reflex fts that comes from her training. That is something I can't eliminate.

Zod doesn't have a solar flare. I don't know why you keep mentioning this showing when Supergirl was saying Wonder Woman speed is more impressive than Clark and iirc, mentioned Flash as well.

I'm not taking away Diana reflexes. Something that she OBVIOUSLY holds as an advantage.

How does Zod wins? What fts helps you give him the victory here (lmmfao)?

"Tell me the truth, Zod!"

"The truth...the truth....the truth is, you will KNEEL!"

Which makes sense, as:

Smurph's original point, btw, is that the lasso is not the be-all and end-all one shot haxx weapon you think it is, Carver.

And these scans all prove it.

A going all out Supergirl gets wrapped up and commanded to submit. She couldn't break free..

Lol

So you show Supergirl not submitting. Good.

Yep,submitted when WW asked her too.

This you, Carv?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... you all were the ones that started with the lowballing. Alright, let me address these points and we can keep speed at a wash.

With weapons active, I'm giving this to Diana. Without weapons, I'm giving this to Zod. Her lasso, WILL HOLD Zod, so the only thing I need to prove is that she can get it around him.

Originally posted by carver9
Yep,submitted when WW asked her too.

So sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. When it works, WW still needs to bust out a verbal command, and we are right back at the start of the thread where Zod is the only one here capable of having conversations at superspeed.

Meanwhile, as she's trying to speak (assuming Zod doesn't just dodge it a la PG) he HVs her.

After she speaks, you have to assume Zod doesn't just resist it a la Maxwell et al. And HVs her.

And this all assumes she can get it on him in the first place.