Zod vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Smurph
In other words, no new arguments or evidence, just more bullshit.

You're also getting more desperate with how you spin these feats.

When did she tie up Flash before he could react?

When did she tie up Superman before he could react?

When did she tie up Zoom before he could react?

Do you really want to go through the steps of getting the scans rubbed in your face?

I dont need a new argument. What I've provided is sufficient.

Did she tie up Flash, yes or no?

When she slit his throat with her tiara.

When he was looking right at her and she threw a rope at him and tied him up.

Everything ive named is better than Zod punching Supergirl.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont need a new argument. What I've provided is sufficient.

Did she tie up Flash, yes or no?

When she slit his throat with her tiara.

When he was looking right at her and she threw a rope at him and tied him up.

You said she'd tie him up before he could react "like she did Superman". She didn't tie him up in Sacrifice. Rather, she tried and missed. So you're just bullshitting.

You said she'd tie him up before he could react "like she did Zoom." She didn't tie up Zoom before he could react. That's a complete misrepresentation of the feat.

Originally posted by carver9
Everything ive named is better than Zod punching Supergirl.

Zod ain't no Superman. And Wonder Woman has fought plenty of Kryptonians, including the greatest top Kryptonian: Kal-El.

Wonder Woman 6/10. At least.

Originally posted by ODG
Zod ain't no Superman. And Wonder Woman has fought plenty of Kryptonians, including the greatest top Kryptonian: Kal-El.

Wonder Woman 6/10. At least.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Doesn't this logic also apply to Zod though? Zod also has fought plenty of Kryptonians, including Superman

What I am trying to say is that Wonder Woman has got an edge in terms of "opponent experience" over Zod. Wonder Woman has a wealth of experience fighting the strongest alien races, specifically, Kryptonians in DC.

Zod, however, does not have a wealth of experience fighting the strongest mythical races in DC or their magical artifacts/arsenal.

Originally posted by ODG
Yes, so? Wonder Woman is not a Kryptonian. She is an Amazon. An exceptional Amazon at that... w/ magical artifacts/arsenal that is exceptional among mainstream heroes.

What I am trying to say is that Wonder Woman has got an edge in terms of "opponent experience" over Zod. Wonder Woman has a wealth of experience fighting the strongest alien races, specifically, Kryptonians in DC.

Zod, however, does not have a wealth of experience fighting the strongest mythical races in DC or their magical artifacts/arsenal.

For example
Eradicator casually defeated Wonder Woman with one blast
https://ibb.co/rHzQyqk
https://ibb.co/PzxMWnM
https://ibb.co/8bpTpV8
https://ibb.co/Q7gF13K

And this is Zod, with a large brain damage, overpowers Cyborg Superman plus Eradicator. And later, even with Suicide Squad help(one of them also is Enchantress, who uses magic), Zod still again overpowers all of them
https://ibb.co/RD77kVf
https://ibb.co/RTLtdgQ
https://ibb.co/80cXPQV
https://ibb.co/wSSXs5L
https://ibb.co/r6D44Qv
https://ibb.co/Qkp5yZT

If character A fights Tyson every day in box, but every time he is casually defeated by Tyson
And then, Character B comes in, beats Tyson in box
I won't bet A would win a box fight B. Even though B doesn't fight Tyson on a regular basis. I also doubt A with different fight style will be much a factor in this fight

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But on the other hand, Zod can also be argued he seems far more impressive when facing these strongest alien races

For example
Eradicator casually defeated Wonder Woman with one blast
https://ibb.co/rHzQyqk
https://ibb.co/PzxMWnM
https://ibb.co/8bpTpV8
https://ibb.co/Q7gF13K

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And this is Zod, with a large brain damage, overpowers Cyborg Superman plus Eradicator. And later, even with Suicide Squad help(one of them also is Enchantress, who uses magic), Zod still again overpowers all of them
https://ibb.co/RD77kVf
https://ibb.co/RTLtdgQ
https://ibb.co/80cXPQV
https://ibb.co/wSSXs5L
https://ibb.co/r6D44Qv
https://ibb.co/Qkp5yZT

And Grail embarrassed the entire Justice League during the Darkseid War.

So if you want to compare???

Originally posted by ODG
Zod doesn't have Eradicator's capabilities. Those scans are about as irrelevant as showing Wonder Woman fighting Circe or Grail.

Originally posted by ODG
Zod doesn't have Eradicator's capabilities. Those scans are about as irrelevant as showing Wonder Woman fighting Circe or Grail. Case in point... That's basically a throwaway scene but, by comparison: Wonder Woman recently defeated Grail who was assisted by Circe, Giganta, Doctor Psycho, Angle Man & Silver Swan.

And Grail embarrassed the entire Justice League during the Darkseid War.

So if you want to compare???

Or use Smurph's Mongul example

Originally posted by Smurph
What?

Zod vs Superman is relevant. Zod vs Mongul is relevant. Wonder Woman vs Mongul is relevant.

"Countering" Wonder Woman vs Mongul with Superman vs Mongul is... irrelevant.

Are you keeping up?

Originally posted by ODG
Zod doesn't have Eradicator's capabilities. Those scans are about as irrelevant as showing Wonder Woman fighting Circe or Grail. Case in point... That's basically a throwaway scene but, by comparison: Wonder Woman recently defeated Grail who was assisted by Circe, Giganta, Doctor Psycho, Angle Man & Silver Swan.

And Grail embarrassed the entire Justice League during the Darkseid War.

So if you want to compare???

Supergirl
Superman
Mongul
Eradicator
Cyborg Superman
Hal
Kyle

...and Zod looks way better in every comparison.

Originally posted by ODG
Zod doesn't have Eradicator's capabilities. Those scans are about as irrelevant as showing Wonder Woman fighting Circe or Grail. Case in point... That's basically a throwaway scene but, by comparison: Wonder Woman recently defeated Grail who was assisted by Circe, Giganta, Doctor Psycho, Angle Man & Silver Swan.

And Grail embarrassed the entire Justice League during the Darkseid War.

So if you want to compare???

Originally posted by Smurph
Zod's never faced Grail, Giganta, Silver Swan, etc. But Zod and Wonder Woman have both faced:

Supergirl
Superman
Mongul
Eradicator
Cyborg Superman
Hal
Kyle

...and Zod looks way better in every comparison.

But if you want to parse each matchup specifically to see how it dictates the Zod vs Wonder Woman matchup, by all means. First thing's first, there are several opponents in that list that do not have the Kryptonian vulnerability to magic.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Except Zod can withstand Eradicator's attacks(and overpowers him), while Wonder Woman is down with one attack?

If Zod or Wonder Woman doesn't fight Eradicator you may have some points. But the fact is *they both fight Eradicator*, there is a comparator

Or use Smurph's Mongul example

You're turning to Carver every day, ODG

Either discuss these comic characters in good faith or don't. Nobody is stupid enough to reduce this to simple ABC logic given how different these comic characters are and how different their arsenal is and how different their superpowers and vulnerabilities are and...

... you either get it or don't. Or you do get it and just pretend you don't and then insist such reductionist/infantile logic ought to be applied to me.

Not my first rodeo, pal.

Originally posted by ODG
Eradicator trying to choke out Zod with his own hands would turn out differently from Wonder Woman trying to choke out Zod with her Lasso of Truth.

Originally posted by Smurph
except you've said that speed is a wash.

There isn't a single fight where Wonder Woman was able to move fast enough to lasso her peer before they traded blows.

Supergirl? They fought, she tried, she failed, she tried again, got solar flared.

PG? Simply dodged it.

Superman? Only worked because he was mind controlled to solely focused on Batman. And then the lasso did nothing.

Superman again? Simply dodged it.

And here you've specified that speed is equal. So this scenario is just Carver fantasy, unmoored from the comics.

Which means that this is all a giant concession that if she trades blows with Zod, she loses.

Originally posted by Smurph
also:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Zoom isn't faster, rather, he travels through time.

Flash was lassoed because he was super predictable, like a starfish. Or he was not operating at full cpacity (Memno had stolen his memories of how his powers worked).

OTOH:

Zod has better feats than Dalan.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
"Tell me the truth, Zod!"

"The truth...the truth....the truth is, you will KNEEL!"

Which makes sense, as:

[b]Smurph's original point, btw, is that the lasso is not the be-all and end-all one shot haxx weapon you think it is, Carver.

And these scans all prove it. [/B]

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah. Firstly, for all the talk about a mind controlled Superman, he still was too fast for her to get the lasso around him when they fought on Earth.

Now I know I know, that's Superman, not Zod. But remember, we are saying Zod and WW are comparable in speed, and according to Carver, WW is FASTER than Superman. Ergo, Zod is equal to/faster than Superman.

And Superman did this:

So that's one point.

Second point is as Smurph pointed out - so what? Her hands are now holding a lasso. He uses his HV. She drops the lasso to block. He slips out. Or, she gets burned. It makes him.....see the truth of his actions? Tell her about his childhood on Krypton? What fanciful (MASTERFUL!!! as TGATES would say) scenario needs to be cooked up, whilst Zod just has to......HV away, HV that is powerful enough to blow his own skull off.

Originally posted by Smurph
Counterpoint:

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
That's not the thread shows unfortunately

Then take a few more, pal. If past is prelude, you'll need it.

Originally posted by ODG
The sheer phucking irony. Take a couple moments to reflect on your own posts to me and recompose yourself.

Then take a few more, pal. If past is prelude, you'll need it.

Originally posted by ODG
The sheer phucking irony. Take a couple moments to reflect on your own posts to me and recompose yourself.

Then take a few more, pal. If past is prelude, you'll need it.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So it takes you two days to come up an essentially saying "you got nothing to counter here" reply
Okay....maybe you should check your brain. I mean, a person with an average IQ normally doesn't need so much time to type a reply like that

What makes you think you or your posts are deserving of daily attention???

Address the thread or don't.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Typical biatch response when you got nothing lmao

It's good to see carter still getting wrecked in his own threads.

To add to Smurph's list of the lasso not working how carter originally claimed before backtracking--

http://tiny.cc/zyj8001

And carter called WW an elite. Then why did she lose to three random Kryptonians new to their powers? Surely if she were an elite in power, that coupled with her skill and gear would have her wreck them. But she didn't.

And to carter, That's, etc. The argument of "at their best?" I challenge you guys to give me Wonder Woman's best skill fear. Let's compare to Zod's.

Originally posted by ODG
Sometimes it takes me two days to take out my garbage.

What makes you think you or your posts are deserving of daily attention???

Address the thread or don't.

And yes, I addressed your post, as you can see above I gave you multiple examples. Then, you came up with a reply basically says nothing except shows you have problem with me

Originally posted by ODG
Sometimes it takes me two days to take out my garbage.

What makes you think you or your posts are deserving of daily attention???

Address the thread or don't. Still waiting for you to accept the judge(s) I picked.