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Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
You keep accusing other people using ABC logic

I am accusing you and only you.

You shriek about ABC comparisons and then every time you're confronted about the fundamental unreliability of ABC logic, you pretend you aren't relying on such notions.

Take a stance or don't.

qwertyuiop1998 The Vampire

Originally posted by ODG
I am accusing you and only you.

But Smurph didn't seem to think this is ABC logic

Also, like DS pointed out, isn't you're the one who first brought up the opponents argument?

Originally posted by ODG

What I am trying to say is that Wonder Woman has got an edge in terms of "opponent experience" over Zod. Wonder Woman has a wealth of experience fighting the strongest alien races, specifically, Kryptonians in DC.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean, this is where you joined us.
So we're going by common opponents, and seeing their experience with both. Eradicator being one, Mongul/Hal/Kyle being three others.

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^ You want to hide behind Smurph's skirt now? He can speak for himself. He and I have had more than our fair share of disagreements. And I have no doubt he will unload on me given my last challenge.

But right now, I am bearing down on your prevaricating b1tch-a$$. Go ahead and wait for Smurph. Or bring it.

If you want to argue infantile ABC logic, so be it. Just stop pretending that you aren't doing so to save face once you are rebutted.

Take a stance or don't.

qwertyuiop1998 The Vampire

Originally posted by ODG
^ You want to hide behind Smurph's skirt now? He can speak for himself. He and I have had more than our fair share of disagreements.
Right now, I am bearing down on your prevaricating b1tch-a$$.
If you want to argue infantile ABC logic, so be it. Just stop pretending that you aren't to save face once you are rebutted.
Take a stance or don't.

Not hide behind Smurph's skirt, just point out that you keep saying this is ABC logic, yet, not everyone agrees with you on this point

It also seems worse when it's *you* who first brought up the argument about the opponents they faced

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Originally posted by Smurph
We're not comparing Wonder Woman to Eradicator and saying they're similar. Or Zod to Eradicator.
We're looking at Wonder Woman's performance against Eradicator and comparing it to Zod's performance against same.
And similar with Supergirl. And Mongul. And the GLs. Etc.
I hear you that Wonder Woman herself is different than those characters and we need to consider those differences. Fair enough. But the point is that she would need those things to be enough to overcome a significant difference in how they stack up when we look at their actual fights against the same opponents.
That's not ABC logic. It's 1:1 comparisons.

Bruh, didn't even see your post this entire time until now. For real.

Anyway, if you really want to extol the notion of 1:1 comparisons than Wonder Woman soloed Circe, Grail, Giganta, Silver Swan, Angle Man and Doctor Psycho. Scale that 1:6 appropriately and let me know where you stand. Because each of those characters (some of them anyway) have defeated the Justice League, let alone someone like Superman.

But we both understand that in a storyline where Wonder Woman is the feature protagonist, she will "operate" at her peak levels. And conversely, in other storylines where she is a supporting background character, she don't do sh1t. Just like Superman. Or Zod.

To be clear, I'm not going to act like the Eradicator scenes never happened, but it's up to you to argue that "throw-away" scene is more determinative than Wonder Woman's own suite of feats. Like her feats against Kryptonians... including against Superman.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Not hide behind Smurph's skirt, just point out that you keep saying this is ABC logic, yet, not everyone agrees with you on this point
It also seems worse when it's *you* who first brought up the argument about the opponents they faced

You unparalleled dumba$$, go back a few pages and see who brought up collateral opponents and ABC logic first.

qwertyuiop1998 The Vampire

Originally posted by ODG
You unparalleled dumba$$, go back a few pages and see who brought up collateral opponents and ABC logic first.

Well, certainly isn't me.

Here, this is your first post in this thread. Somehow, it seems you'd no problem to bring a character that isn't in this thread(at least, according to your logic). I.E, Superman

Originally posted by ODG
Zod ain't no Superman. And Wonder Woman has fought plenty of Kryptonians, including the greatest top Kryptonian: Kal-El.
Wonder Woman 6/10. At least.

Delta1938 True King of House of El

Wow.

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Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Well, certainly isn't me.
Here, this is your first post in this thread. Somehow, it seems you've no problem to bring a character that isn't in this thread(at least, according to your logic). I.E, Superman

In a Daredevil vs. Kirigi thread, invoking Daredevil's extensive experience fighting Hand ninjas is not ABC logic. It is pointing out Matt Murdock's extensive experience and possible advantage in such a matchup against a Hand ninja.

Which is what I invoked given Wonder Woman has fought a lot of Kryptonians. Including the greatest Kryptonian: Kal-El.

You do not understand the difference between that factual consideration and your bumbling attempt to equate Eradicator with either Zod or Wonder Woman via moron ABC logic.

I admit I cannot remedy your incompetence. Seek Jesus, you unmatchable buffoon.

Smurph tu quoqumber

Originally posted by ODG

But we both understand that in a storyline where Wonder Woman is the feature protagonist, she will "operate" at her peak levels. And conversely, in other storylines where she is a supporting background character, she don't do sh1t. Just like Superman. Or Zod.

Wonder Woman in her own title:

Zod in someone else's title:

One-shots Mongul.

qwertyuiop1998 The Vampire

Originally posted by ODG
In a Daredevil vs. Kirigi thread, invoking Daredevil's extensive experience fighting Hand ninjas is not ABC logic. It is pointing out Matt's extensive experience and possible advantage in sucha matchup against a Hand ninja.
Which is what I invoked given Wonder Woman has fought a lot of Kryptonians. Including the greatest Kryptonian: Kal-El.
You do not understand the difference between that factual consideration and your bumbling attempt to equate Eradicator with either Zod or Wonder Woman via moron ABC logic.
I admit I cannot remedy your incompetence. Seek Jesus.

And then I also can argue Zod's fights with the same opponents whom Wonder Woman also faced isn't ABC logic. It's a comparison

I mean, it does sound like you pick-and-choose what fights/opponents are ABC logic and aren't...based on your arbitrary standards/feelings

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And then I also can argue Zod's fights with the same opponents whom Wonder Woman also faced isn't ABC logic.

But were the opponents that Zod fought typical of Amazonians with magical artifacts? Like I pointed out from the beginning?

Yea. Stop trying to retread the same excuses that shut you up pages ago.

Your unsightly ego is what is extending this unnecessary conversation. Nothing else.

qwertyuiop1998 The Vampire

Originally posted by ODG
But were the opponents that Zod fought typical of Amazonians with magical artifacts? Like I pointed out from the beginning?
Yea. Stop trying to retread the same excuses that shut you up pages ago.
Your unsightly ego is what is extending this unnecessary conversation. Nothing else.

And then I also can ask: Did Circe/Grail ever face Zod, like Eradicator and many other opponents we brought up here?
Like I said, it looks like you just use some arbitrary standards/feelings to determine whether or not it's ABC logic or not

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Originally posted by Smurph
Wonder Woman in her own title:
Zod in someone else's title:
One-shots Mongul.

But I leave it up to you to decide whether Diana's hypothetical fight against Zod would be more ignominious than that scene against Mongul as opposed to something closer to this:

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And then I also can ask: Did Circe/Grail ever face Zod, like Eradicator and many other opponents we brought up here?
Like I said, it looks like you just use some arbitrary standards/feelings to determine whether or not it's ABC logic or not

They've faced Superman. A more powerful Kryptonian than Zod. You are transparently attempting to get me to justify the same sort of ABC logic you've forced onto this thread. My retorts were entirely sh1tting on such ABC logic.

Don't get it twisted, idiot. Leave the discussion to your betters.

qwertyuiop1998 The Vampire

Originally posted by ODG
They've faced Superman. A more powerful Kryptonian than Zod.

Nobody says they didn't face Superman. On the contrary, this is the exact logic me and Smurph used in this discussion

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

If Zod or Wonder Woman doesn't fight Eradicator you may have some points. But the fact is *they both fight Eradicator*, there is a comparator

Originally posted by Smurph
Zod's never faced Grail, Giganta, Silver Swan, etc. But Zod and Wonder Woman have both faced:
Supergirl
Superman
Mongul
Eradicator
Cyborg Superman
Hal
Kyle
...and Zod looks way better in every comparison.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And Zod didn't face them, right? It has nothing to do with Zod.
Eradicator and Mongul and whatnot matters is because they all faced *both* Zod/WW. We've a direct comparison
Zod is in this thread, WW is in this thread. Eradicator and other characters whom Smurph named are comparators for both. Because they *both* faced the same opponents and gave their performances
On the other hand, Circe and Grail and whatever you named Zod never faced them so far. There isn't any performance you can use to compare, hence, it's not related to the topic

If anything, that just proves you're using the same ABC logic you accused me doing here

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Nobody says they didn't face Superman. On the contrary, this is the exact logic me and Smurph used in this discussion

Which is the exact ABC logic I am sh1tting on. What are you, bipolar??? Phucking stick to a position you abject fool. If you cannot stand the withering deconstruction of your position, then phuck off.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
If anything, that just proves you're using the same ABC logic you accused me doing here

If you cannot follow simple the course of simple discussion where I continually sh1t on your reliance of ABC logic, then maybe take a seat on the bench, pal.

Maybe there's some audience you are pandering to, but between you and I, there is absolutely no question that you insisted on infantile ABC logic, pretended you didn't, accused me of doing it, then repeated it, then got slapped down for it, kept blaming me for it, and etc. etc.

Some self-introspection n1gga, plz.

qwertyuiop1998 The Vampire

Originally posted by ODG
Which is the exact ABC logic I am sh1tting on.

So you're shitting on yourself?

Originally posted by ODG
Zod ain't no Superman. And Wonder Woman has fought plenty of Kryptonians, including the greatest top Kryptonian: Kal-El.
Wonder Woman 6/10. At least.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

In a Daredevil vs. Kirigi thread, invoking Daredevil's extensive experience fighting Hand ninjas is not ABC logic. It is pointing out Matt Murdock's extensive experience and possible advantage in such a matchup against a Hand ninja.

Which is what I invoked given Wonder Woman has fought a lot of Kryptonians. Including the greatest Kryptonian: Kal-El.

You do not understand the difference between that factual consideration and your bumbling attempt to equate Eradicator with either Zod or Wonder Woman via moron ABC logic.

I admit I cannot remedy your incompetence. Seek Jesus, you unmatchable buffoon.

qwertyuiop1998 The Vampire

Originally posted by ODG
In a Daredevil vs. Kirigi thread, invoking Daredevil's extensive experience fighting Hand ninjas is not ABC logic. It is pointing out Matt Murdock's extensive experience and possible advantage in such a matchup against a Hand ninja.
Which is what I invoked given Wonder Woman has fought a lot of Kryptonians. Including the greatest Kryptonian: Kal-El.
You do not understand the difference between that factual consideration and your bumbling attempt to equate Eradicator with either Zod or Wonder Woman via moron ABC logic.
I admit I cannot remedy your incompetence. Seek Jesus, you unmatchable buffoon.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And then I also can argue Zod's fights with the same opponents whom Wonder Woman also faced isn't ABC logic. It's a comparison
I mean, it does sound like you pick-and-choose what fights/opponents are ABC logic and aren't...based on your arbitrary standards/feelings