Originally posted by h1a8
The log didn't smash or crack open the Predator's skull. If it had been a human, their skull would have been shattered, and their brains splattered.Most of the feats you mentioned - except punching through concrete walls and lifting an ambulance (neither of which happened) - are things a regular Predator can do. For instance, a Youngblood Predator was strong enough to one-punch KO and effortlessly lift a half-ton grizzly bear above its head. Predators with plasma casters are even stronger, and the UP is multiple times stronger than them.
People weren't using Supergirl's highest feats - they were scaling her off Clark's highest feats. In reality, Supergirl's top showings are slower than Wonder Woman's highest feats.
I agree that a Terminator is slightly stronger than a plasma caster-equipped Predator, but it's still weaker than the UP.
There were multiple scenes in the movie clearly showing bullets [B]bouncing
off the UP. You should rewatch the movie, as I don't recall a single instance where a bullet penetrated its skin. If that's the case, we stick to the highest feats. You also can't ignore the scene where a Predator's wrist blades shattered against the UP's hand. Don't argue against the writer's intent by suggesting their metal is as strong as steel or weaker - it was clearly intended to be superior.Plasma reaches temperatures far higher than what melts Terminators (they were shown to melt in molten steel). Plasma can range from tens of thousands to millions of degrees Celsius. In the original Predator movie, plasma was shown melting the metal in Dutch's rifle.
Multiple plasma shots would cause significant damage to the T-X. [/B]
It still killed him. It wouldn't have even dented a terminator.
Those feats did happen, you can lie all about it all you want, but we've all seen the movie. If you think a predator can tank a a fire engine slamming into him, prove it.
Wonder Woman's highest feats are below a Kryptonian mook's speed feats. This isn't really the topic, however. You specifically mentioned averages there, you're talking about high end feats here.
It got shot in the mouth and bled. Hand gun bullets stunnned it. Just watch the final part of the movie again if you don't believe me. The wrist blade issue has already been addressed - they have no good durability feats and they were easily melted by alien blood. Writer's intent doesn't matter when the feats don't support it.
The T-X is powered by a plasma reactor. It doesn't melt her chassis. Her plasma cannon channels plasma through her arm and the plasma doesn't melt her arm either. The T-X can withstand the temperature.
The T-X tanks the UP's plasma caster and rips its puny head off.
I think you should rewatch the movie, h1a8, as I recall several instances where bullets penetrated the UP (and I am not referring to the Predator, I happen to know what I am talking about here).
Am pretty sure Baxley (Thomas Jane's character) also stabbed the **** out of him before dying, with his knife, but you know, maybe I am being coy and disingenuous??
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think you should rewatch the movie, h1a8, as I recall several instances where bullets penetrated the UP (and I am not referring to the Predator, I happen to know what I am talking about here).Am pretty sure Baxley (Thomas Jane's character) also stabbed the **** out of him before dying, with his knife, but you know, maybe I am being coy and disingenuous??
I haven't seen the movie in a while, but I know there are inconsistencies in movies all the time. Bullets were bouncing off him at the beginning, and the wrist blades even shattered against his hand.
Originally posted by Psychotron
It still killed him. It wouldn't have even dented a terminator.Those feats did happen, you can lie all about it all you want, but we've all seen the movie. If you think a predator can tank a a fire engine slamming into him, prove it.
Wonder Woman's highest feats are below a Kryptonian mook's speed feats. This isn't really the topic, however. You specifically mentioned averages there, you're talking about high end feats here.
It got shot in the mouth and bled. Hand gun bullets stunnned it. Just watch the final part of the movie again if you don't believe me. The wrist blade issue has already been addressed - they have no good durability feats and they were easily melted by alien blood. Writer's intent doesn't matter when the feats don't support it.
The T-X is powered by a plasma reactor. It doesn't melt her chassis. Her plasma cannon channels plasma through her arm and the plasma doesn't melt her arm either. The T-X can withstand the temperature.
The T-X tanks the UP's plasma caster and rips its puny head off.
Name a feat by a random Kryptonian that surpasses Wonder Woman's when she lassoed a .50 BMG bullet. While standing 100 feet away from Steve, she tracked the bullet's trajectory, realized it was headed for him when it was about 30 feet away, and acted, lassoing it just a foot before impact.
A 3,000 ft/s bullet covers 30 feet in approximately 0.01 seconds. That means Wonder Woman perceived the bullet, calculated its path, determined how to sling her lasso, and executed the action - all within 0.01 seconds. And she did this while weakened and WHILE Steve was moving towards the bullet at car chase speed.
Show me a Kryptonian feat demonstrating complex thought and action within 0.01 seconds.
Originally posted by h1a8
Name a feat by a random Kryptonian that surpasses Wonder Woman's when she lassoed a .50 BMG bullet. While standing 100 feet away from Steve, she tracked the bullet's trajectory, realized it was headed for him when it was about 30 feet away, and acted, lassoing it just a foot before impact.A 3,000 ft/s bullet covers 30 feet in approximately 0.01 seconds. That means Wonder Woman perceived the bullet, calculated its path, determined how to sling her lasso, and executed the action - all within 0.01 seconds. And she did this while weakened and WHILE Steve was moving towards the bullet at car chase speed.
Show me a Kryptonian feat demonstrating complex thought and action within 0.01 seconds.
Keep it in the other thread, but tagging Flash is better than that.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I am also unsure about this whole 'wrist blades shattered' thing. From the video, he could've just broken the flicky wrist mechanism, not the blades themselves.
It seems the wrist blades themselves were shattered. Regardless, very durable metal WAS SHATTERED, not merely bent or broken, but completely shattered.
I never intended to suggest the Ultimate Predator is more durable than a Terminator. My point was to demonstrate the UP's remarkable durability. For example, a weaker Predator's skull remained intact despite being struck by a massive log falling for over four seconds.
It's reasonable to assume a punch or strike from a Terminator wouldn't inflict significant damage on the UP.
Originally posted by h1a8
It seems the wrist blades themselves were shattered. Regardless, very durable metal WAS SHATTERED, not merely bent or broken, but completely shattered.I never intended to suggest the Ultimate Predator is more durable than a Terminator. My point was to demonstrate the UP's remarkable durability. For example, a weaker Predator's skull remained intact despite being struck by a massive log falling for over four seconds.
It's reasonable to assume a punch or strike from a Terminator wouldn't inflict significant damage on the UP.
But if it was the mechanism that got broken, that's very different from the original premise which is that a solid piece of metal was broken. Flick knives breaking are different from blades breaking.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Show me.
The wrist blades aren't clip-ons that you can just smack off.
The only way to produce a "shattering sound" while showing multiple pieces of metal flying through the air is if metal is actually breaking. He broke a Predator's metal with his bare hand.
Like I said, I'm not claiming the UP is more durable than the Terminator - only that it has enough durability to withstand multiple attacks from one.
Originally posted by h1a8
The wrist blades aren't clip-ons that you can just smack off.The only way to produce a "shattering sound" while showing multiple pieces of metal flying through the air is if metal is actually breaking. He broke a Predator's metal with his bare hand.
Like I said, I'm not claiming the UP is more durable than the Terminator - only that it has enough durability to withstand multiple attacks from one.
Well yes, metal WAS being broken - it could've the metal that made up the flicky out mechanism.
Which would be different from the blade metal, and certainly not the single piece of metal that makes up the blade (but rather, a series of parts).
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well yes, metal WAS being broken - it could've the metal that made up the flicky out mechanism.Which would be different from the blade metal, and certainly not the single piece of metal that makes up the blade (but rather, a series of parts).
It doesn't matter anyway since any metal part is at least as strong as steel. Having sharp blades strike your hand with enough force to shatter the metal components they were attached to is still an impressive durability feat - enough to endure multiple attacks from a Terminator.
That said, the Terminator is still more durable.
Originally posted by h1a8
But we hear the sound of metal shattering.It doesn't matter anyway since any metal part is at least as strong as steel. Having sharp blades strike your hand with enough force to shatter the metal components they were attached to is still an impressive durability feat - enough to endure multiple attacks from a Terminator.
That said, the Terminator is still more durable.
Moving parts - as with the mechanism - isn't. I have knives with copper scales, for example. Folding knives have brass pins, which (obviously) aren't steel. You cannot give special attributes if they are not shown. So even your concession is wrong, as you are assuming any metal part in the wristblades are at least as strong as steel.
You are assuming that the blades aren't just clipons - Psychotron shows that actually, they are. Your argument is linked to:
The UP easily shattered the wrist blades of a standard Predator, which are crafted from a metal far more durable than any human-made alloy. This demonstrates the UP's immense power and ability to overpower even highly resilient materials.
But if the blades themselves were not broken, but merely the folding mechanism, that is a far cry from demonstrating the UP's immense power and ability, especially as we also see normal bullets and normal knives stab him.