Ultimate Predator (2018) vs T-X (Terminator 3)

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Moving parts - as with the mechanism - isn't. I have knives with copper scales, for example. Folding knives have brass pins, which (obviously) aren't steel. You cannot give special attributes if they are not shown. So even your concession is wrong, as you are assuming any metal part in the wristblades are at least as strong as steel.

You are assuming that the blades aren't just clipons - Psychotron shows that actually, they are. Your argument is linked to:

But if the blades themselves were not broken, but merely the folding mechanism, that is a far cry from demonstrating the UP's immense power and ability, especially as we also see normal bullets and normal knives stab him.

Metal broke and shattered - that's a fact.

All the metal components must be at least as strong as steel to withstand the Predator's strength when cutting through exceptionally tough opponents (aliens, bears, other Predators, etc.). It defies logic to assume these parts would be much weaker than steel, breaking or falling apart under the Predator's superhuman strength.

The baseline standard (status quo) is steel, while anything with special attributes is significantly stronger.

Consider a sharp steel blade set in a wooden handle - the blade can slice through any fleshy organism on Earth without the wooden handle breaking apart.

Even with just a few hundred pounds of resistance, the pressure remains immense - many tons of force per square inch.

Originally posted by h1a8
The baseline standard (status quo) is steel

Lol.

Originally posted by h1a8
Metal broke and shattered - that's a fact.

All the metal components must be at least as strong as steel to withstand the Predator's strength when cutting through exceptionally tough opponents (aliens, bears, other Predators, etc.). It defies logic to assume these parts would be much weaker than steel, breaking or falling apart under the Predator's superhuman strength.

The baseline standard (status quo) is steel, while anything with special attributes is significantly stronger.

Consider a sharp steel blade set in a wooden handle - the blade can slice through any fleshy organism on Earth without the wooden handle breaking apart.

Even with just a few hundred pounds of resistance, the pressure remains immense - many tons of force per square inch.

Because flesh is weaker than wood. You are arguing that the wood must be some incrediblly strong material. your argument also pressupposes a blade, set in wood - a simple, strong item. This is very wrong, and very different to what we have here.

This is a blade, with a flicking mechanism designed to shoot blades out. Moving parts = weak points.

Originally posted by h1a8

The baseline standard (status quo) is steel,

Lmao.

Anyway, we have seen normal blades (Baxley's) stabbing him, blood galore. And yes, this is the Ultimate Predator, I am not mistaken, h1, you are.

We have seen Quinn shoot him in the head (that is how he kills it at the end). We have seen Quinn shoot it randomly throughout the film. It does not do well with explosions, as seen when they fired the wrist gauntlet rockets at it. We cannot scale small surface area attacks to plasma explosions.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because flesh is weaker than wood. You are arguing that the wood must be some incrediblly strong material. your argument also pressupposes a blade, set in wood - a simple, strong item. This is very wrong, and very different to what we have here.

This is a blade, with a flicking mechanism designed to shoot blades out. Moving parts = weak points.

Lmao.

Anyway, we have seen normal blades (Baxley's) stabbing him, blood galore. And yes, this is the Ultimate Predator, I am not mistaken, h1, you are.

We have seen Quinn shoot him in the head (that is how he kills it at the end). We have seen Quinn shoot it randomly throughout the film. It does not do well with explosions, as seen when they fired the wrist gauntlet rockets at it. We cannot scale small surface area attacks to plasma explosions.

Again, metal shattering means metal breaking - you keep ignoring that.

Look up the tensile strength of steel.
Look up the tensile strength of wood.

The mechanism must also be strong enough to withstand a Predator's strength when cutting through tough objects (flesh, bone, etc).

This feat is far beyond human capability, supporting the UP's ability to withstand multiple blows from a Terminator.

I never quantified the feat, so what exactly are you arguing? I'm saying it's a significantly superhuman feat - do you agree?

Being stabbed or shot later is irrelevant due to fictional inconsistencies.
We don't use low showings that contradict higher ones.

Originally posted by h1a8
Again, metal shattering means metal breaking - you keep ignoring that.

Look up the tensile strength of steel.
Look up the tensile strength of wood.

The mechanism must also be strong enough to withstand a Predator's strength when cutting through tough objects (flesh, bone, etc).

This feat is far beyond human capability, supporting the UP's ability to withstand multiple blows from a Terminator.

I never quantified the feat, so what exactly are you arguing? I'm saying it's a significantly superhuman feat - do you agree?

Being stabbed or shot later is irrelevant due to fictional inconsistencies.
We don't use low showings that contradict higher ones.

Not irrelevant if the UPs armoured skin can't handle explosions, and has to be activated, and can only work in small areas.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not irrelevant if the UPs armoured skin can't handle explosions, and has to be activated, and can only work in small areas.

Explosions vary in power and type - what kind of explosion is the Terminator using here?

If said explosion contradicts him shattering the wrist blades with his hand, then it's not a valid argument.

I'll ask again - are you saying the UP doesn't have significant superhuman strength and durability? Because that's exactly what I'm arguing.

Originally posted by h1a8
Explosions vary in power and type - what kind of explosion is the Terminator using here?

If said explosion contradicts him shattering the wrist blades with his hand, then it's not a valid argument.

I'll ask again - are you saying the UP doesn't have significant superhuman strength and durability? Because that's exactly what I'm arguing.

Whilst you may be saying that, the evidence you are relying on - the wristblades of the Predator breaking on its skin - isn't necessarily proof of it. If the skin - which is what you are pinning his durability on - needs to be activated, or it cannot protect against AoE attacks and explosions (such as when the Loonies ambushed it and when Baxley stabbed it), then it may as well be nonexistent considering the T-X has flamethrowers, disc saws that can go through steel, the plasma shooter etc.

Assuming she doesn't just hack his weaponry and control it.

H1, you ever gonna respond to my points, or should I just accept your concession?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Whilst you may be saying that, the evidence you are relying on - the wristblades of the Predator breaking on its skin - isn't necessarily proof of it. If the skin - which is what you are pinning his durability on - needs to be activated, or it cannot protect against AoE attacks and explosions (such as when the Loonies ambushed it and when Baxley stabbed it), then it may as well be nonexistent considering the T-X has flamethrowers, disc saws that can go through steel, the plasma shooter etc.

Assuming she doesn't just hack his weaponry and control it.

The truck exploded - but there are no trucks here. The UP easily evades the slow-moving plasma shot.

My argument is about the UP enduring strikes (punches and kicks) and throws.

She's too slow to do anything else.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Actually, they are. I re-watched the final battle of Alien vs Predator. The Predator fired his wrist blades at the Alien Queen, so they are 100% detachable.

Originally posted by Psychotron
H1, you ever gonna respond to my points, or should I just accept your concession?

Being detachable doesn't mean they can simply be knocked off. They clearly lock into place to withstand the Predator's immense strength while slashing and stabbing.

Originally posted by h1a8
The truck exploded - but there are no trucks here. The UP easily evades the slow-moving plasma shot.

My argument is about the UP enduring strikes (punches and kicks) and throws.

She's too slow to do anything else.

His durability could be in part, due to his skin needing to be activated. Which has been shown to be bypassed by humans stabbing him, or with AoE (Area of Effect) attacks.

So that would be negated.

Originally posted by h1a8
Being detachable doesn't mean they can simply be knocked off. They clearly lock into place to withstand the Predator's immense strength while slashing and stabbing.

Not that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
His durability could be in part, due to his skin needing to be activated. Which has been shown to be bypassed by humans stabbing him, or with AoE (Area of Effect) attacks.

So that would be negated.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Not that.

Originally posted by h1a8
I missed it then. Please repost it

I'm not going to spoon feed you. Go back a page or two and read the reply chain.

Originally posted by h1a8
The Terminator won't be able to stab or cut the UP, assuming it creates a cutting weapon from the start. Plasma shots are hardly AoE, as they are relatively small in size and slow. If the UP needs to activate its skin armor, it will do so.

You misunderstood me.

If a human is fast enough to stab the Predator before it can activate it's skin (it changes colour), then a T-X can. Relatively small in size? The explosion that the Loonies used wasn't massive.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You misunderstood me.

If a human is fast enough to stab the Predator before it can activate it's skin (it changes colour), then a T-X can. Relatively small in size? The explosion that the Loonies used wasn't massive.

Low showings don't hold weight if they contradict higher ones. The UP has an insane speed and reaction feat - dodging a high-speed plasma shot - as well as reacting to the Predator's rapid wrist blade strike. Meanwhile, the Terminator is slower than even the humans you claim managed to hurt it.

Additionally, the Terminator has no inherent explosion-creation ability. It can only fire a slow plasma shot, which causes explosions "only" when it hits a fuel-laden vehicle.

Originally posted by h1a8
Low showings don't hold weight if they contradict higher ones. The UP has an insane speed and reaction feat - dodging a high-speed plasma shot - as well as reacting to the Predator's rapid wrist blade strike. Meanwhile, the Terminator is slower than even the humans you claim managed to hurt it.

Additionally, the Terminator has no inherent explosion-creation ability. It can only fire a slow plasma shot, which causes explosions "only" when it hits a fuel-laden vehicle.

It can create a massive flamethrower, which again, if it overwhelms the UP, makes speed and durability negligible. You ignored this point, which makes you trolling?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It can create a massive flamethrower, which again, if it overwhelms the UP, makes speed and durability negligible. You ignored this point, which makes you trolling?

Not sure how much damage her flamethrower would do to him if it connects, given his superhuman durability.

The T-X's primary long-range weapon is the plasma shot, only switching to the flamethrower after it was damaged.

Even then, the UP has a plasma cannon, which would give it the advantage in a firefight due to its superior speed and his reaction time.