Originally posted by abhilegend
You can read, can't you? I said both are implausible, just degree of absurdness is different.I didn't say light is 800000 times faster than light like you did, dumbass.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Lol, tell us more about light being faster than light.
For anyone who didn't know, on the previous page I changed my mind about how I wanted to say something and as frequently happens to me the words got jumbled so one of my posts briefly mentioned light being faster than light rather than light being faster than sound until I noticed and edited.
See Abhi, it's not hard at all... you should try it sometime lol.
Originally posted by darthgoober
You act like I have a problem admitting that I make errors... as a human of course I make errors...For anyone who didn't know, on the previous page I changed my mind about how I wanted to say something and as frequently happens to me the words got jumbled so one of my posts briefly mentioned light being faster than light rather than light being faster than sound until I noticed and edited.
See Abhi, it's not hard at all... you should try it sometime lol.
Saint Goober accepted a mistake??? Cause for a new holiday lol.
And yeah, I made a mistake in that post, what about it?
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂Saint Goober accepted a mistake??? Cause for a new holiday lol.
And yeah, I made a mistake in that post, what about it?
Hey Smurph, can Elektra match this feat from Cass?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Here's the queen of bullet timings, Cassandra Cain.Literally out races a bullet. Not even questionable. Elektra dreams she was so fast.
Batman out reacts her and takes her out.
Elektra who?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then it just becomes arbitrary, right? Where do we draw the line?"This is a cool Bats moment - he snuck past Superman! So cool!"
"This is PIS - he outreacted HV! So uncool!"It then rapidly becomes bias. Some PIS moments are cool and allowed, some PIS moments are uncool and not allowed.
no more arbitrary than making allowances for logan's feats, or cap's or dd's or elektra's. to determine pis we use--have always used--body of work. is bat's typically shown to have ftl reflexes? does he have multiple showings of this? has he shown bullet time speed? does he multiple showings of this? i mean wth are we talking about? you're honestly saying it makes sense to claim bats has ftl reflexes. for real? chalking it up to the imp then calls into question EVERY ONE OF HIS FEATS. that's the hill you want to die on rather than calling this one off, ftl reflex feat pis? that seems...beyond absurd to me. how you see it as 'arbitrary' to declare this specific feat pis is truly mind-boggling when the alternative is to call into question the entire history of the character. if cap showed the same feat i'd be no more out-raged than i was here. cap-being-cap, obvious pis. next.
does elektra have supersonic reflexes? beats me. does she have enough feats to support it? if so 👆 if not 👇 that's the way it's always been done. no idea why this is different. one thing's for sure--i'm NOT comfortable in any way whatsoever of attributing every bat feat to the imp. crazy.
this thread..... i THINK we can agree on the fact that bullet time feats for bats, cap, dd, elektra, any street worth a damn, isn't a great big deal? however, having a street blatantly display ftl reflexes is ENTIRELY different. so, if you want to accuse me of 'arbitrarily' deciding that bullet-speedish feats are fine, but light speed feats are pis--guilty. 👆 the rest, and what speeds in between are pis are entirely feat and character dependent and would rely on how many OTHER feats of a similar nature does said character have in their history.
you know. the way it's always been decided. 😐
Originally posted by leonidas
no more arbitrary than making allowances for logan's feats, or cap's or dd's or elektra's. to determine pis we use--have always used--body of work. is bat's typically shown to have ftl reflexes? does he have multiple showings of this? has he shown bullet time speed? does he multiple showings of this? i mean wth are we talking about? you're honestly saying it makes sense to claim bats has ftl reflexes. for real? chalking it up to the imp then calls into question EVERY ONE OF HIS FEATS. that's the hill you want to die on rather than calling this one off, ftl reflex feat pis? that seems...beyond absurd to me. how you see it as 'arbitrary' to declare this specific feat pis is truly mind-boggling when the alternative is to call into question the entire history of the character. if cap showed the same feat i'd be no more out-raged than i was here. cap-being-cap, obvious pis. next.does elektra have supersonic reflexes? beats me. does she have enough feats to support it? if so 👆 if not 👇 that's the way it's always been done. no idea why this is different. one thing's for sure--i'm NOT comfortable in any way whatsoever of attributing every bat feat to the imp. crazy.
Batman's body of work against metahumans speaks for itself, then. His performances against Zoom, WW, Damage, Superman, the entire League, Grundy (to the point Grundy gets downgraded), Bane with and without Venom, Gotham....
Originally posted by leonidas
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Except you literally said Batman should be exempt from PIS:
Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, batman is one of those characters that cannot be rationalized away. we either agree that everything he does is pis, or we say it all happens so often that we....redefine pis as it relates to him. despite dc's stance that he is purely human, clearly he is much more than that. other characters have similar standings (cap to an extent, supermartial artists, logan to a degree) but no one approaches the level of batman in this regard. we just take batman at what we see. the dude can be invisible to superman ffs. people will rationalize his feats however they want, but there are so many impossible ones, it creates a sense of logic-conflict no matter HOW you try and view it. he's batman and he's like no other character, really. /shrug
Literally saying we take Batman at what we see. He's Batman, like no other character.
Apart from the HV feat. No, NOW we don't take it as what we see. Or, I guess, this:
Or him against Darkseid:
I mean, sure, we can try rationalising it. Darkseid was in a rotting carcass, he had just been shot, etc etc. I know the arguments.
But the Omega Sanction has never been shown to have differing 'speeds', as it were. People can try to have headcanon, or, as you say, they take it for what it is. The Beams that Flash was struggling to outrace, Batman is able to get words out and smirk before it hits him. Throw his gun down. The hard light beam from Hal, greatest of all GLs, is outreacted AFTER it gets fired and Batman gets to throw a useless Aquaman into.
Edit: the imp was a bit tongue-in-cheek, but whether you want to have him as a Cyttorak-esque character, pulling strings from a different dimension for his favoured pet, or just 'Batman is', either way, it's happened.
And you seemed pretty OK with just accepting the showings as they were.
prep on ignore so ds: lol you love trying for the gotcha thing eh? pretty okay is me saying (as i'm sure you know having gone through and checked on all the threads i've commented on--you really have a problem 😂 ) is i hate--i've ALWAYS hated--crying pis. so i take logan's feats and cap's feats and bats's feats (because they pop up so often) as typical writer nonsense. that doesn't mean i take them as THE NORM.
so let me get this straight:
1. you think in the forum we should grant bats in any forum match ftl reaction speed because of the one scan you showed?
2. you think we should say bats is a jla team buster because...well you showed him doing okay against the jla?
3. you feel like bats should be...what? high herald in all vs matches going forward because....imp? because you showed a couple feats of him doing well against herald level guys? so bats to high herald?
you're stance is ludicrous. not sure why you're willingly dying on this hill. taking your scans at face value bats>high herald. that's what you're claiming? right?
so, bats vs silver surfer in a ring scenario? bats wins right? cuz imp>ss or because you showed bats>jla?
crazy.
you're using a very limited number of scans to support and even MORE limited feat. in the process you're ignoring the (million?) times he struggled with killer croc? joker? shiva? batgirl? ra's? and the umpteen million guys<<<<<<jla? or are you saying every time he struggles with a street guy THAT's pis?
you need to step back, man.
the ftl feat is clearly pis. idc about it and i'm def not surprised by it. writers have bats do crazy sh!t all the time. because...batman. but just because i'm willing to shrug it off doesn't mean we suddenly grant bats ftl levels of reaction. i mean seriously. why am i having to explain this to you? wtf. i'm not even sure what you're trying to prove anymore. you wanna say he's faster than elektra? good for you. idc. really. imo they're peers. like dd. and cap. why? because their collective bodies of work would indicate that. bats is DEFINITIVELY NOT A PEER OF FLASH. if you think so, well......no need to respond. for real.
I didn't go through all your posts though?
I just used the search function and grabbed the most recent posts. Far less work involved, I'm not a stalker and I don't have that amount of time and interest, no offense. You argued that we either accept Batman's feats or we redefine PIS for him, so you tell me what they means, then.
I didn't post that scan to show him doing well against the JLA, read it again. I posted that scan to show him outreacting a light beam from Hal, greatest of the GLs (I am sure the other thread will soon show how amazing he is). Hal shoots, we see the beam coming out of the ring as he's kicking MMH, then he grabs Aquaman and throws him as a shield. That's a better feat than the HV scan. I posted it because you all kept saying he's only got one feat against light based attacks.
Dying on this hill? I literally said it was tongue in cheek. If it offends you so, we can strike the (canon) scan from the record and just say he does all these things because he's Batman. Outreacts light attacks on no less than three (rather than a single scam) occasions - against Superman, Hal, and Darkseid, three of the top energy wielders in DC.
And maybe we do step back and relook at what we're saying. You say we shrug it off because Batman. But at the same time, what does shrugging it off mean? It happened, we accept it happened, but ultimately.....we ignore it?