is sirius really dead?

oh my god, this is hilarious. Well Rose, tell ya what, i dont think i will respond to what you said, becuase #1. this is a FORUM, so no amount of critisizm will get us anywhere. Correct, it is a book, but its still nice to stress a point once in a while. And yeah, it probably doesnt matter how sirius fell, but if you noticed there are a couple of points in this book that make you go..hmm...so tell ya what, lets just agree to disagree before we both act like children and say stuff that we will probably think is stupid later. Id like to be the grownup here since i said earlier we all should try to respond in the senseable manner. But i guess thats not gonna happen. Fact is, all the books have been written, all the chapters finished, and we will just have to see the outcome. Saw the interview with JK on tv, said she had all the books finished and ready to go to publishing when they told her to. So no matter what, ITS A BOOK like we both said and hey, my opinion, they are either gonna make Sirius a maryter or a hero, but until we know, guess we will have to get over the fact that we disagree, am i right?

Yes, I know what you are talking about...but the only reason that he didn't want to use Harry was because that would bring people to the fact that Voldemort was back, and they are trying to ly low. An act of heroism? No, like I have been saying, Wormtail is a coward who is only looking out for himself. And where in Hades did you get that Ron will kill Wormtail? Am I the only one who has only five books? Because with all the idiotc things you guys are suggesting must mean you have more information than I do...because I, unlike you it seems, sticks to the information provided by the books. (And the spelling is hipocrite, by the way.) I don't wish to "flame" on any of you, that's why I don't go to personal dissing, unlike StealthNinja over here...but rather I would prefer to stick to what you guys are saying...if you take it personally, its not my fault. I would just rather not waist my ideas on people who are ruining the book with such suggestions. This is suppose to be a debate about whether or not Sirius is dead, you guys are talking about Ron killing Peter. Now, Sirius is gone yes. HE IS GONE! Gone forever? No, not forever. That is my opinion on that matter, if you would like to discuss it in more detail, then by all means let us do so. If you would rather talk about Wormtail, then I am open for that too.

um rosebloom...if ure saying the idea of lunas mum being alive is stoopid then isnt that kind of contradicting ureself? Because your saying that sirius is "gone" but will return from behind the veil in 1 way or another, then since lunas mum is also stuck behind the veil (well the book sort of eludes to it) she shouldn't she also return, and lunas qoute from the book also backs this up...

"its not as though i'll never see mum again...?"

well im sure you'll find some way to demolish my argument, so im ready 😉

The reason why i said that ron would probably kill peter is because he used to be rons rat and he sort of betrayed him. i dont know if its true but its an opinion and like i said, i already know its off topic but yet you still brought it up. and even though we all stick to the info from the book, im proposing ideas beyond the 5 books and into the next books which almost everybody does on this forum

I wouldn't be getting my hopes up, people. You see, a good writer knows how to keep the readers guessing what's going to happen right up until it does. In other words, a good writer constructs the story in a way that you never really know for sure whether something's going to happen or not. Also, writers typically try to taunt the reader by making them think something's going to happen, but then not happening. So, no matter how much you think you know, the truth is, you don't really know anything. Writers can do whatever they want, and many go deliberately against what people want in order to make it more interesting. Granted, my favorite characters were Sirius, Remus, and Alastor, Sirius being numero uno. But, reading everyone's replies, it's looking like you all think that he's definitely going to come back in some way. I really want him to come back too, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen. I'll i'm saying is, Don't get your hopes up.

Yeah you all have your own points............but Wormtail does owe harry and in the end.........so maybe in the end Wormtail will die for Harry also to free him from Lily and James' death...at 1st...they were all good friends...but then he went against them..... and sold them to Lord V... NOW Harry/Wormtail have a bond...just like Ginny/Harry...b/c Harry has saved both of their lives and wormtail WILL repay him...that's what I had understood out of book 7........

As for Sirius. I really hope that if he DID fall behind the veil...that he will have to escape again..I mean he escaped the unescapable askaban prison...so anything's possible...but the thing i was thinking...is that it might be his SPIRIT that has to escape so he will at least be at piece...THIS IS IF HE IS IN FACT REALLY **DEAD**. We do know that JKR was sad and she said that there was no doubt about it (pretty well much) BUT then...it could mean dead in different ways...maybe dead to Harry....and everyone else...but not really dead....... what if he didn't come back until book 7...........THAT WOULD BE WEIRD.

Also..I hope everyone is communicating better......from what I've read...there's been some disgruntlements........

Right then...I really wish that whenever I decided to check these things that there weren't so many posts...And I will try, if possible, to be pleasant with all of you...So here goes, just look for your name.
--Envision...Now HOW do we know her mother is behind the veil? I'm not saying that she isn't, but maybe we should just wait. Also, think about Luna's background. I mean, her dad does the Quibbler, and those are very strange articles. Maybe Luna thinks that there is some crazy unpossible way to see her mom again. I don't know, I just don't know HOW her mother would get behind the veil in the first place.
--Sephiroth...I know that Ron and Wormtail had a sort of connection, but Ron doesn't seemed too beaten up about it. I think he doesn't like Wormtail, but I there is no way Ron is going to go mad and kill him. Ron isn't bloodthristy, and I think there is NO WAY he is going to say, "DIE SCABBERS!" Then blast him with Avada Kedavra...Its so, UNLIKE HIM.
--Mormegil...WOW!! YOu sent a SOLID thread! Good job! If I could post a gold star, I would. Congrats to you! Its long, error proof, I agree with everything! Keep it up!
--Airangel...I disagreed with the first part. Wormtail, ladies and gents, is a WORM! A worm that sprouts a tail! I don't want to sound mean, but Wormtail thinks the only thing that he owes something to is himself. And that is power. Didn't you remember how happy he was when Voldemort gave him the hand!? He was thrilled! I don't think that guy is capable above anything besides picking his nose.
----AND THAT, you see...is, well...its something. Keep posting, and I will continue answer and waist away my summer vacation.

ok i agree with u rosebloom on the point about "scabbers". he turned his back on RON and he betrayed harry's parents. I think that he is gonna play a part in the downfall of the dark lord...but...i dont think he is gonna be helping harry out by doing it...if he indeed does play a part in the downfall then it will most likely be a screw-up on his part. i dont see him killing his master!
airangel-i agree with u about what u said about jk talking about sirius being "dead" she could have ment that he was dead to harry and everyone else..or she could have ment it in a totally different way...like he is dead until he gets out from behind the veil (meaning-his charecter is on hold for a while) jus a thought so take it easy rosebloom

NO NO NO! I actually agree with you. Yes, Sirius is dead...but for how long? That doesn't mean he can't come back, JK is full of metaphors and similies. When she said Sirius is dead, she meant it. Sirius is dead, but he is coming back. Whether its alive or not. I have no doubt that he won't be in the last book. Maybe even the next book will have him in it...doubtful. But I know that Sirius is coming back. What form it will be in, I don't know.

thank u rosebloom!! that means a lot that u agree with me!! im being serious too!!
and about the whole ron vs. scabbers come now ron loved his pet dearly and even though he did betray them... i still dont see ron trying to kill him off!

Me either! Ron may have a temper, but he isn't going to whack off Wormtail because he hurt his feeling when he left! COME ON!! I think Wormtail is going to get his snuff in the end because he does something stupid. Like, goes after Dumbledore or something. I don't think a kid can actually do Avada Kedavra anyway. You have to be a really skilled wizard/witch.

thats true!! u have to be really advanced i can see harry maybe being able to do it but not ron....come now someone actually thinks that ron has it in him to kill!! puh-leeze!!!!

Ron might have cared in some prospect in the long past. But now he knows Wormtail is bad. END OF STORY! Wow...have you ever noticed how a subject just kills itself out when it has been discussed in every possible aspect? I need to criticize more. Anyway, back to the mirror thing with Sirius. Just because a mirror breaks doesn't mean that it can't work. JK didn't put it in for kicks and giggles. Harry is smart, and he'll figure something out...he ALWAYS does.

rosebloom...i hate to argue with u ne more i really do...but didnt luna say that her mother was an experimentalist and her experiment went wrong? Also, luna speaks as though she knows a reasonable amount about the veil wen harry speaks to her so wouldnt that mean luna has an idea about wot it is from her mothers death?....
quote from the book...

"They were just lurking out of sight, thats all..."

i mean that seems to be sufficient info as to lunas link with the veil and her mothers death 😕

Other than that i agree with u about absolutely everything else 🙂

yea and she also believes in crumple-horned Snorkacks. J/k 🙂

LOL

i think that sirius is just dead for now, as people have been metioning earlier, he just disappeared, in lotr gandalf fell, they didn't see him actually die, i think that some how sirius is going to come back in the seventh book when harry needs him the most and things will be better

Envison... (I'm not going to bother replying to anyone else's posts...not that I think they are stupid or anything, but Envision is the only one really worth talking to right now. No offense.)...I don't remember Luna saying her mom was an Expiramentalist, so I'm not going to argue on that. You give some pretty good points, and I agree with them. I don't know what happened to Luna's mom, but maybe she can come back just as much as Sirius can. Perhaps she is behind the veil, perhaps she isn't. It seems logical enough that a woman who married such a wierd man WOULD work with something as wierd as the veil.

how did this thread end up on luna's mom? lol

Wow...obviously Spehiroth, you haven't been paying attention... We were discussing the veil, and the connection it has with the characters. Some people think that Luna's mom COULD be behind the veil. Now, in the future I would ask that you would pay more careful attention so that we don't have to waist our time explaining it thank you.