Faora: [Beating up Kal-El] You are weak, Son of El, unsure of yourself. The fact that you possess a sense of morality, and we do not, gives us an evolutionary advantage. And if history has proven *anything*...
Faora: [Faora picks up Kal-El throws him into another building]
Faora: ...It is that evolution always wins.
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They feel that they have to rush it, otherwise Marvel Studios will monopolize the theatrical medium, and unfortunately I think the movie may suffer for that. I've heard rumors that Martian Manhunter might be in the second MOS movie as well. So rather than slowly introducing the individual Justice Leaguers in their own movies the way Marvel did, they will be turn three potential franchisees into supporting characters, to be unveiled all at once (kinda like Spiderman 3 and Wolverine Origins). I'm thinking that MOS 2 will be a lot closer to a "Superman and Friends" movie than it will that the actual Justice League movie that fans have been begging for and deserve.
MOS 2 shouldn't be a JL movie. It should be a World's finest movie. I don't mind WW having a part in it also, as that forms DC's trinity of superheroes. Anyone else should be a cameo at most (although Nightwing could work).
As for no solo movies before JL, well we just have to wait and see what they do. A Batman solo movie would be pointless right now IMO. His reintroduction in the MOS movies makes sense.
Last I heard a solo Flash movie was still being planned before JL. Even if that doesn't happen, if the Flash live action series ends up being a hit next year, then that should generate enough excitement for his character.
There's already a GL movie(even though it flopped fact is GL's origin has been told on the big scree). So all that would be left would be a WW solo movie, which I think should be done pre-JL, but may or may not be necessary depending on her role in MOS 2.
Last edited by Darth Thor on Dec 29th, 2013 at 12:32 AM
I hope people remember that Marvel's "proven formula of success" resulted in 3 mediocre to shit origin movies and 1 god awful sequel to an origin movie.
Iron Man 2 is twice as horrible as any of the hate that MoS can ever get yet it's conveniently ignored.
No, DC shouldn't worry about what Marvel does and their plans. DC shouldn't even be worried. Because they can't do anything. They don't have to worry about making good mvoeis because Marvel ahs to put up shit and it'll get mroe money and less negative critique.
Marvel is MJ whereas DC is LeBron. Comparing statistics and achievements both are for the most part equals. However perception is that LeBron is 1/3 the player MJ largely thanks to groupthink.
That was a bit on a rant but DC but worrying gets anyone nowhere. It's been predetermined that it's going to suck.
IMO it would make sense to do another Batman movie. For the same reason they re-made the Hulk. As far as I know the Bale/Nolan Batman isn't the version appearing in MOS2. They've proven that Batman is a profitable franchise, they might as well make more money by doing a version that ties into the MOS universe. The Avengers movie would have been considerably different had they used the Bana/Lee version of the Hulk. I agree that a Nightwing role could work, but I think Robin is more likely.
1) The first one didn't do too well and wasn't liked much by critics or fans and
2) The Hulk rights went back to Marvel.
Neither of these 2 points are relevant to Batman. We've just had 3 mega huge widely loved solo Batman movies. People are not going to react well to a complete reboot so soon.
At the same time your right that this is going to be a completely new Batman that needs to be introduced first (since the JL movie will likely build on Superman and Batman's status).
So the best thing to do under the circumstances is to reintroduce Batman in the MOS sequel. I'm completely with them on that decision.
The solo movie we really need before a JL movie is Wonder Woman Imho. That's more important than a Flash movie. And hopefully the Flash series will be a huge hit anyway, and generate enough excitement for his character as well as covering his origin story closely so many people have an idea of who he is and where he comes from.
You have to remember Marvel were in a different situation. They needed to do a solo Iron Man movie, so people know who IM is and make him popular. They needed to do a solo Thor movie so people know who Marvel's Thor is, and gain popularity for him. Captain America was known in image I guess, but most people were not really aware of his back story or his power set. So again that solo movie was probably necessary.
And none of these guys had a separate live action series going on to generate the background knowledge and excitement required for their characters among the general audience.
But obviously everyone knows who Batman is, and he is a mega popular character regardless of whether we have solo movies in the same continuity for him or not.
And remember Marvel actually changed the actor playing Hulk, as well as making changes to the Hulk himself when it came to Avengers. That didn't harm the character or the Avengers movie in the slightest. In fact reinventing him in a better way just improved the movie.
Last edited by Darth Thor on Dec 30th, 2013 at 10:28 AM
That it may make a lot of sense or none at all. I've got a horrible memory, so let me know if there's something I forgot. Zod getting the shit kicked out of him by a scientist doesn't make sense to me unless Jor was so into that "dreaming of becoming something other than what society had intended for him" stuff that he studied martial arts until he was very good at them. Still, Zod didn't seem to have much skill at all. In fact, that beautiful chick w/the short hair seemed to have much more skill.