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And how do you expect them to co-exist though? They hate each other. They murder each other. I hear tales of Jewish kids being murdered, and then of the retaliation against the other side.


It really sucks, doesn't it?


There's no way around it other than just to forgive and forget and try to coexist. Many are doing it and trying it. Really trying hard. But, obviously, the wounds keep reopening over and over again.


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And how do you expect them to co-exist though? They hate each other. They murder each other. I hear tales of Jewish kids being murdered, and then of the retaliation against the other side.
They already co-exist to a degree. Muslims make up over 35% of Jerusalem's population. There's an entire Muslim Quarter inside of Jerusalem. The Islamic call to prayer rings out across Jerusalem every morning and evening.

Jerusalem is a perfect example of co-existence, it is located on the border of the Palestinian West Bank and Israel.

The only thing prolonging this conflict is Israel's corrupt government trying to curie international favors and Hamas's influence in the Gaza Strip

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I never said Trump can't be criticized. My point is Trump has a point. This has done nothing, we haven't achieved peace.

Surt, a situation being violent and a situation being turned more violent aren't mutually exclusive.

And the point here is Trump is capitulating to terrorists like Hamas by weakening the position of those who want peace.

The situation was bad, Trump's actions will make the situation worse. That's not doing nothing, that's doing something bad.
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The only thing prolonging this conflict is Israel's corrupt government trying to curie international favors and Hamas's influence in the Gaza Strip

Not taking another people's land is "capitulating".

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So then what do we do. What we are currently doing now is not working.

Stop supporting Israel's oppression of Palestine people.

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Surt, a situation being violent and a situation being turned more violent aren't mutually exclusive.

And the point here is Trump is capitulating to terrorists like Hamas by weakening the position of those who want peace.

The situation was bad, Trump's actions will make the situation worse. That's not doing nothing, that's doing something bad.

Not taking another people's land is "capitulating".


I get the situation was bad, but it doesn't seem to be progressing. Was there some major peace deal about to go down? I don't get it. I don't think either of them will ever want to share Jerusalem. At least not a significant amount.


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It really sucks, doesn't it?


There's no way around it other than just to forgive and forget and try to coexist. Many are doing it and trying it. Really trying hard. But, obviously, the wounds keep reopening over and over again.


Do you think Trump made the wrong move? I just keep thinking of how the Knesset is in Jerusalem. It seems Israel is being painted as the bad guys here.


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I don't think either of them will ever want to share Jerusalem. At least not a significant amount.
Mother****er they already are sharing Jersulaem

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They already co-exist to a degree. Muslims make up over 35% of Jerusalem's population. There's an entire Muslim Quarter inside of Jerusalem. The Islamic call to prayer rings out across Jerusalem every morning and evening.

Jerusalem is a perfect example of co-existence, it is located on the border of the Palestinian West Bank and Israel.

The only thing prolonging this conflict is Israel's corrupt government trying to curie international favors and Hamas's influence in the Gaza Strip

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Nope, we've given them 22 years to change. They have failed.

No we haven't. We've actively supported Israel as they've continued to pour gasoline on the fire by building settlements.

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Mother****er they already are sharing Jersulaem


Well I dunno what to tell you lol. It seems like almost an impossible situation. Doing nothing certainly doesn't help. I dunno, split Jerusalem up? I doubt they'd go for it.

This is why I despise all religion. Because the people can be crazy and obsessive. We are letting imaginary beliefs dictate major events. Wtf.


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I get the situation was bad, but it doesn't seem to be progressing. Was there some major peace deal about to go down? I don't get it. I don't think either of them will ever want to share Jerusalem. At least not a significant amount.

And so Surt, we're left with two choices

A. leave the situation alone(which is not the same as supporting Israel's right to take Palestine land).

B. Make the situation better.

As Trump wants to intervene, he needs to intervene in a way which would do B.

Instead, he's intervened in a way which would make the situation worse.

If you want to make the situation better, condemn Israel's settlements as we condemn Palestine terrorists. Stop supporting oppression.

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And so Surt, we're left with two choices

A. leave the situation alone(which is not the same as supporting Israel's right to take Palestine land).

B. Make the situation better.

As Trump wants to intervene, he needs to intervene in a way which would do B.

Instead, he's intervened in a way which would make the situation worse.

If you want to make the situation better, condemn Israel's settlements as we condemn Palestine terrorists. Stop supporting oppression.


I truly don't support oppression and I truly don't' want anything bad to happen. I still do have problems with religion dictating things. I guess there is no real solution. I think Trump did this for two reasons. One is that he said he would do it. Trump loves to be able to point to a "win" or to a promise fulfilled. The other is to appeal to his evangelical base. I'm guessing for those people, some of whom voted for him thinking he would do this with Jerusalem, now feel their vote for him was worth it.

I have seen conflicting reports from experts, there is so much information you don't know who to trust. Some say some huge violence will erupt. Others say there will be a very brief period of tension and then things will balance out.


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I truly don't support oppression and I truly don't' want anything bad to happen. I still do have problems with religion dictating things. I guess there is no real solution.

I just gave you a potential solution:
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If you want to make the situation better, condemn Israel's settlements as we condemn Palestine terrorists. Stop supporting oppression.

The "you" is not referring to you, but rather the US government.
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I think Trump did this for two reasons. One is that he said he would do it. Trump loves to be able to point to a "win" or to a promise fulfilled. The other is to appeal to his evangelical base. I'm guessing for those people, some of whom voted for him thinking he would do this with Jerusalem, now feel their vote for him was worth it.

Why he did it doesn't change what he did was bad. Hence Trump is fully deserving of criticism for his actions. Agreed?

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I agree, he still deserves criticism. Maybe my mind is changing about this, I don't want people dead. I just hate that this is how things have to be.


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Thoughts?


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Trump's action sends an unequivocal message of "We're solely on Israel's side. Period!" Which is stupid if Trump's trying to position the US as the mediator in the Israel/Palestine conflict. You can't be a mediator, for peace no less, when going into it you're clearly biased against one side. Captain Picard would be mocking Trump openly here.

Israel doesn't even need this acknowledgement Trump is giving them, they're for all intents and purposes a regional superpower, they could (and have, the Six-Day War) take on all their neighbors and win.


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I don't want a single terrorist attack coming out of that place then. Not one.


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I don't want a single terrorist attack coming out of that place then. Not one.


Huh?


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I don't want t see any of them committing terrorist attacks over this. They can show some civility. Let us see what happens.


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Okay, sport. Maybe write Hamas a formal letter with your demands.


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Okay, sport. Maybe write Hamas a formal letter with your demands.


Not at all, I'll let them display if they are pieces of shit or not. The next few days will tell us who the savages are.


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