Also whether Jiren could or couldn't have killed Beerus is irrelevant to your previous logic. You're just grabbing at anything you think will prove it at this point.
If you were in a hole and someone offered a hand down to you, you wouldn't grab their dick to pull yourself out would you?
What we have so far heavily implies Jiren is above, apart from what you used. Stop grabbing at dicks Carver
I’m glad Jiren’s overpoweredness didn’t overstay its welcome more than it already had, but I guess I can live with him outlasting Goku due to plot execution. Otherwise though, Goku won where versus thread warriors are concerned.
I like how they didn't just let Goku straight up indisputably surpass the gods. He's definitely stronger, but using that power isn't simple. That was some 8 gates fatigue on crack.
From his fight with Jiren though, Goku is likely a 12 now. 13 maybe even.
What about this fight makes you think Goku is three levels above Beerus? Keeping in mind that Beerus was only four levels above Goku during Battle of the Gods.
Grand Priest > Angels > MUI Goku > 100% Jiren > strongest GoDs > Jiren (serious) > UI Omen Goku > "weakest" GoDs >= ASSB FP Vegeta > GoD Toppo > fresh SSB KKx20 Goku > the rest
MUI Goku is OP af.
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This with only one caveat. I think MUI can reach angelic level as he already surpassed GoD level rather quickly. And as said by Whis he can dog deeper, and shown he can continue to power up.
As I've mentioned several times before: while I agree that MUI Goku > Beerus, he still isn't even remotely close to Angel-level... Unless you think he can KO Beerus with one casual chop.
IOW, even Goku still has a LOOOOONG way to go to ever approach the likes of Whis.
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