That has nothing to do w. what i said (streets make great leaders, as they can direct traffic, and are usually better tacticians than the powerhouses). If you refer to Bats having Supes use his powers creatively, one would hope reading ISNT something Supes would need to be told to do.
Thats your opinion, and in my opinion, its wrong. Pretty sure if anyone cared to weigh in, they’d agree Bats is the better leader, tactician, etc. the term for creative thinking and planning multiple moves ahead, having your opponent think he’s winning even as you get him where you want him is called a Batman Gambit (not a Superman Gambit) for a reason.
What does Flash have on Mercury? Or Supes on Hercules? Being a god doesnt mean you’re better than mortals at what you gappen to be the god of, thats been established for quite a long time now.
Also, no offense meant on the anove.
I appreciate your input, i just thought this was fun to ‘argue’.
What tactical skills can a man have that can be compares to God? Clark as been showned to be far more tactical, smarter than Bruce in all categories. Bruce is only relevant because of pis/Cis. No more.
Just because Riv is wrong about Superman being useless and not being able to use his powers creatively without Batman doesn't mean you should post dumb things like this friendo.
Bruce is not only the better tactician than Superman, he's also just smarter.
Fair enough my man, but the point stands that SquallX is unironically devaluing Batman's intelligence and tactical ability compared to the rest of the League.
Superman is smarter than Batman in terms of pure intelligence and his understanding of things like advanced scientific concepts. You can put that down to his Kryptonian brain and his perfect recall etc, but it's still there.
He's not the strategist or tactician Bruce is, though. Nobody is. Even people like Diana and Arthur, who have actually waged war, don't think the way Bruce does. They, for lack of a deeper explanation, don't have the level of cynicism Bruce has that allows him to plan for contingencies only he would even think of in the first place.
And yes, there is the whole "we need a human on the team to humanise them, and to be that guy the enemy doesn't take seriously", but batman still offers far more than say, hawkeye and widow do in the avengers.
That said, he needs the League to ground him as much as they need him. He'd be a lot worse off without someone like Superman keeping him relatively in check.
I agree with most of this. The only DC character who considers more contingencies than Bruce is Vril Dox Jnr. That is because hes equally as cynical as Bruce but has even less lines he wont cross. Mind you NOONE is "humanising" him.
And once again, what has Bruce done that Superman is unable to accomplished?
Superman’s is so far above Bruce in raw intelligence, that without Bruce knowing as updated his gears and made them better.
In one comic, Clark had to deal with a few elementals that claimed they would destroy the world. Clark told them to go ahead, but after all the humans are dead, he would ravage the Earth that would make it inhabitable to the elementals.
This is the same Superman that carries the knowledge of the Miracle Machine.
The only thing Bruce has is cynicism. He brings nothing more to the league.
Diana was trained in warfare by Ares himself, the God of War. Unless we’re to claim Bruce is a better tactician than the literal God Of War.
Pis/Cis is the only reason we’re even talking about this. Remove them, Bruce is useless as a new borned babe when he stands next to the like of Clark, Diana, Arthur, MM and Hal.
And again, you can’t you refute my points. Remove pis/cis, what does Bruce brings to the table again?
Money-Clark can create diamonds form coal, or build a company, and with his mindset, create any things he wants. From all type of cures, or ends world hunger. He doesn’t, because pis/Cis stops him.
Detective-Put Bruce and Barry in room full of clues. whom do you you think would see all the clues first? A genius human, or a genius superbeing who’s mind can process an unlimited amount of scenarios in less than heartbeat?
Warfare-Diana was raised and breed in warfare. She posses the gift from the Gods themselves. The wisdom of Athena being one. The same Athena who happens to be the Goddess of War. Not only that, Diana was taught by Ares from a young age.
Knowledge-Hal Jordan posses a nigh infinite of knowledge from his ring.
So again, what does Bruce bring to the table but the whole human and cynism thing again.
True I dislike Batman, but my dislike stems more from the dick ride readers and writers gave characters in Batman’s level.
To say Batman is smart enough to outsmart the like of Darkseid is asinine. Or to somehow have away to beat the like of the Leagues casually is stupid. Just like when Joker was somehow able to jokerized the leagues, and still lost to a mere human.
Remove pis/cis, Bruce is just another guy in Batsuit playing pretend.
You're not talking about just "removing PIS". You're talking about removing a key part of how fiction itself works.
And Barry would still need to put the clues together. It doesn't matter how fast he is, he still needs to be capable of it, and he's not as good a detective as Bruce.
Nobody's saying Batman doesn't get away with a lot due to PIS, but you're talking about the other end of the spectrum in your post. You need to come back towards the middle.
I know pis plays a big part in fiction as a whole, but for characters like Batman who has no powers, it is use so excessively, that characters Bruce should be useless against are rendered useless.
Barry is a forensic scientist, he is just as good as Bruce. Add in the speed force, Bruce cannot outwit him when it comes to searching for clues and solving a crime.
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