Dooku vs. Sidious

Originally posted by Emperor Revan
1. He's the master and the master must always be stronger. He's even younger. (I know that doesn't mean much but it's a little funny.)

See my statement above.

2. He has a much better control of the Force. For example: Dooku in AOTC used lightning against Obi-Wan. Obi blocked it with his lightsaber pathetically one-handed almost bored like. When Sidious used lightning against Mace (Who's stronger than ROTS Obi who's much stronger than AOTC Obi) Mace was having a really hard time holding it back. Sidious' Lightning was nearly too much for Yoda yet in AOTC, Yoda casually one handed reflected Dooku's lightning with much less difficulty.

If you realy want to start reasoning like that: Dooku threw Anakin through the entire room with his force lightning in AotC and took him out of the battle for a few minutes.
Luke in ROTJ had less training and less potential compared to Anakin in AotC. Now Sidious pushed him 1 or 2 metres backwards with the kynetic energy of his force lightning and kept using it on him for more than 30 seconds. Still Luke was back on his feet 20 seconds later and carried his farther through the half death star.

Now...I don't think that Sidious lightning is FAR more powerful than Dookus one.

3. He's a better duelist. Sidious was holding his own against Yoda in lightsaber combat, and fought really well, perhaps even on par with Yoda. Dooku on the other hand, had no chance and fled like a coward. Dooku didn't do too bad, but Yoda was not struggling against Dooku like he was against Sidious.

Now realy. Yoda would have defeated Dooku and he also would have defeated Sidious and Sidious would have go down faster in a lightsaber duel than Dooku.
Please keep in mind that Dooku had constant training with that weapon while Sidious could only have 2 opponents before RotS: Plagueis and Maul.

Sidious is really powerful and Dooku could probably survive for 30 seconds or so but then he would be toast.

Sidious would use force lightning on Dooku. Dooku will deflect it. Then they will engage in a lightsaber duel and Sidious will simply go down vs Dooku.

Originally posted by Darth Windu
Vengeance, how is that BS? That's my system dude, and Glentract used it well, to the same outcome of mine. Nai and Janus agree as well. So BS yourself.

A rating scale like that will never be effective, too many variables, besides glentract was bias anyway.

And you're not? And it can be effective, very effective; if it is used the right way.

This is amazing. I've seen people go back and forth, left and right, making excuses as to why Dooku was the apprentice and not the master. Why he never struck Sidious down. Amazing. So many of you attribute it to either lack of ambition or Sidious's manipulations. It is also ironic to see that half of you arguing on the manipulation front make a big deal about how he is only a half-ass manipulator and how his plans aren't that great. Lovely.

I give up. Dooku wins. Sidious is owned. The end.

Originally posted by Darth Somebody
This is amazing. I've seen people go back and forth, left and right, making excuses as to why Dooku was the apprentice and not the master. Why he never struck Sidious down. Amazing. So many of you attribute it to either lack of ambition or Sidious's manipulations. It is also ironic to see that half of you arguing on the manipulation front make a big deal about how he is only a half-ass manipulator and how his plans aren't that great. Lovely.

I give up. Dooku wins. Sidious is owned. The end.

Now you know what I put up with... 🙁

[QUOTE=4613663]Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
[B]I love this system even if it has its flaws. It's based on ten being good, 1 being bad.

Dueling Skill:

Dooku- 10 He stood up to Yoda and has beaten Mace before.

Sidious- 9 Was relying on his force powers to survive the fight with Yoda

Force Mastery:

Dooku- 9 Very capable in the force. Was able to contend with Yoda for a while in force powers. Overpowerd ROTS Obi-wan in force power.

Sidious- 10 The strongest force powers in the movie probably. He constantly falls back to his supeior force powers when his saber skills begin to fail him.

Raw Power:

Dooku- 9 No Anakin Skywalker, but very powerful.

Sidious- 9 Same as Dooku.

Tactics:

Dooku- 9 Led the war against the Republic for a while(had help from Grevious)

Sidious- 10 Great tactician in the PT(not so good in OT). Manipulated everyone.

Against Single Opponent:

Dooku- 10 He kicks butt against a single opponent. Period.

Sidious- 9 Not as good as Dooku un this area. Still good at it though.

Against Multiple Opponents:

Dooku- 9 Very capable. Defeated Anakin. Lost the second time because he was betrayed.

Sidious- 10 He defeated 3 very powerful Masters extremly quickly. Good at it.

Overall(pre-corrections):

Dooku- 56

Sidious- 57

Because this system isn't perfect, I need to make some slight corrections to make it as accurate as possible.

The reason that Sidious killed those three Masters so wuickly is because he was clouding thier minds with the force. Dooku draws his power from the darkside so he would not have the same clouding effect.

Against Multiple Opponents: -2 for Sidious

Overall(corrected):

Dooku- 56

Sidious- 55

This is actually way to close to call. Anyone of them could be the victor.

It would be a draw.

Personaly I feel that Sidious would lose. He would get cocky like all the sith and meet his doom.......unless........... Dooku gets cocky..........

Well Jesus! Sidious is a damn loser, afterall. Can't win a single battle. Here's the problems I've recently discovered about Sidious that I'd like to share with you all. I thank all the other players and their EXTREME bias for proving to me.

1. His mastery of the Force is a joke. (Ironic, considering all evidence proves otherwise, but...)

2. He's probably the most pathetic duelist in the Star Wars universe. (Despite slaying three Jedi Masters, killing Mace, and standing toe-to-toe with Yoda)

3. He's easily the weakest Sith Lord in the entire franchise (Hell, just because all six movies were practically centered around the tyrannical regime he caused and his mastery of the Force, doesn't mean a damn thing)

4. Every single one of his lackeys, Maul, Grievious, Dooku, and probably Gunray can kick his ass in a fight.

5. His only noteworthy skill is his manipulation (which isn't saying much, because that sucks too. I mean, who knows how the Empire truly came about. I mean, it's unbelievable to think that Sidious is actually GOOD at anything, let alone moderate).

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Have I enlightened you, yet?

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
[QUOTE=4613663]Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
[B]

Force Mastery:

Dooku- 9 Very capable in the force. Was able to contend with Yoda for a while in force powers. Overpowerd ROTS Obi-wan in force power.

Sidious- 10 The strongest force powers in the movie probably. He constantly falls back to his supeior force powers when his saber skills begin to fail him.

-GASP- What's this? A compliment?! You mean Sidious is actually remotely TALENTED at something? No...surely you jest.

Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Well Jesus! Sidious is a damn loser, afterall. Can't win a single battle. Here's the problems I've recently discovered about Sidious that I'd like to share with you all. I thank all the other players and their EXTREME bias for proving to me.

1. His mastery of the Force is a joke. (Ironic, considering all evidence proves otherwise, but...)

2. He's probably the most pathetic duelist in the Star Wars universe. (Despite slaying three Jedi Masters, killing Mace, and standing toe-to-toe with Yoda)

3. He's easily the weakest Sith Lord in the entire franchise (Hell, just because all six movies were practically centered around the tyrannical regime he caused and his mastery of the Force, doesn't mean a damn thing)

4. Every single one of his lackeys, Maul, Grievious, Dooku, and probably Gunray can kick his ass in a fight.

5. His only noteworthy skill is his manipulation (which isn't saying much, because that sucks too. I mean, who knows how the Empire truly came about. I mean, it's unbelievable to think that Sidious is actually GOOD at anything, let alone moderate).

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Have I enlightened you, yet?

*many people in this thread* Hey look guys hes agreeing with us!!! we finnaly won!!!

Originally posted by Darth Somebody
This is amazing. I've seen people go back and forth, left and right, making excuses as to why Dooku was the apprentice and not the master. Why he never struck Sidious down. Amazing. So many of you attribute it to either lack of ambition or Sidious's manipulations. It is also ironic to see that half of you arguing on the manipulation front make a big deal about how he is only a half-ass manipulator and how his plans aren't that great. Lovely.

I give up. Dooku wins. Sidious is owned. The end.

Thats good that you give up, it shows that you have no evidence whatsoever that whoever you think wins would win...

ANd that is his specialty, he is great at manipulation. Plus sidious is the biggest wussy i have ever seen also. Dooku is not better than sids and sids is not any better than dooku. Both are equal. Sidious has his vast force knowledge, and dooku has his lightsaber skills. Fuse them together and you get an equal battle. One can counter force powers, but the other can fight just as well with a lightsaber also. But IMO Dooku would take this fight to a aggresive lightsaber fight, and there sidious would hold on no longer.

Yep! They sure did! It took me a while to realize it. But gee whiz. Sidious sucks ass. Why the HELL would George make him the Star Wars main villain? I mean, c'mon, what good is he?

Yep. You're 100 percent right, Ackbar.

Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Well Jesus! Sidious is a damn loser, afterall. Can't win a single battle. Here's the problems I've recently discovered about Sidious that I'd like to share with you all. I thank all the other players and their EXTREME bias for proving to me.

1. His mastery of the Force is a joke. (Ironic, considering all evidence proves otherwise, but...)

2. He's probably the most pathetic duelist in the Star Wars universe. (Despite slaying three Jedi Masters, killing Mace, and standing toe-to-toe with Yoda)

3. He's easily the weakest Sith Lord in the entire franchise (Hell, just because all six movies were practically centered around the tyrannical regime he caused and his mastery of the Force, doesn't mean a damn thing)

4. Every single one of his lackeys, Maul, Grievious, Dooku, and probably Gunray can kick his ass in a fight.

5. His only noteworthy skill is his manipulation (which isn't saying much, because that sucks too. I mean, who knows how the Empire truly came about. I mean, it's unbelievable to think that Sidious is actually GOOD at anything, let alone moderate).

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Have I enlightened you, yet?

1.) Its no joke, he has great amnipulation skills, and has a very powerful and efective lightning attack. Wait thats it!!?

2.)He slayed 3 jedi masters. Ok, he outclassed all of them, and he

Well, wait! Actually, you're only about 89 percent right. See, I DID have proof - originally - before I found out how damn awful Sidious is. I like Count Dooku, I always did. But I have this funny characteristic that because I like a character - it doesn't mean I'll defend them always. Hell, I used to think Sidious was pretty cool. But I'd always say that he wasn't the strongest Sith Lord or the most powerful. Hell, I'd tell people who could own him and who couldn't.

If you read the thread, you'll see the foolish side of me had some pretty good proof. But of course, Sidious manipulated Dooku into not attacking him. Damn. If I didn't know any better, it's like they're saying Sidious is smart...

needed to strike them quick b4 they could attack back, yet those 2 were still conecntrating on his thoughts. ANd fisto is no match for sids, really.

3.)Shoot yourself.
4.)None of them could kick his ass, As a matter of fact, Mual is no match for him neither is GG or Nute. Dooku is though.

5.)He is damn good at manipulation, ever since he found out about anakin's existense. He started to plan for the future. And it worked perfectly, all the jedi dead, and the empire came about, he fooled everyone. A great Mastermind.

Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Yep! They sure did! It took me a while to realize it. But gee whiz. Sidious sucks ass. Why the HELL would George make him the Star Wars main villain? I mean, c'mon, what good is he?

suck it up, ok?
Stop being a dumb ass and accept it.
And where the hell does it say that GL made sidious the main villain?
This movie is all about anakin.

Now. Ehem, that I have regained my composure - and let loose a little immaturity and steam, perhaps I have made my point. I see so many of you insulting, slandering, and generally mocking Sidious's skills of manipulating. You so frequently insult it - making it look to be a little charlatan's game. Nothing worth mentioning. And then, you take Count Dooku - and NOW you think Sidious is actually good at manipulating people. Jesus. Pick a side and STAY on it.

Count Dooku is one hell of a duellist. And I DID give proof that shows if ANYONE is more powerful of Sidious and Dooku - it IS Sidious.

Admiral Ackbar, in movies and theatre - one has a protagonist. And one has an antagonist. Of all six movies, you discover that Anakin is the protagonist (in basic terms - the main character). Sidious aka Palpatine is the antagonist (the opposition to the protagonist). He is the major villain of the Star Wars movies, as said by George himself on the Revenge of the Sith commentary. Never did I say the movies were about Sidious or focused on him. They are about the problems he caused and those who he affected (Anakin).