Dooku vs. Sidious

Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Well, wait! Actually, you're only about 89 percent right. See, I DID have proof - originally - before I found out how damn awful Sidious is. I like Count Dooku, I always did. But I have this funny characteristic that because I like a character - it doesn't mean I'll defend them always. Hell, I used to think Sidious was pretty cool. But I'd always say that he wasn't the strongest Sith Lord or the most powerful. Hell, I'd tell people who could own him and who couldn't.

If you read the thread, you'll see the foolish side of me had some pretty good proof. But of course, Sidious manipulated Dooku into not attacking him. Damn. If I didn't know any better, it's like they're saying Sidious is smart...

You are right, Somebody, no point arguing with you there. Sidious is smart, and smart as hell. He did manipulate dooku into not taking his role as master, and letting anakin live. Thas why he was known to be one of the greatest sith lords ever. He manipulated sith, and was the only one ever, really to take down the republic and bring forth the empire.

You know, I'm about up to here with the whole "Sidious/Vader faction". Everyone NOt in that subgroup stand to the left. Everyone still on the right, stand still so we can kill you on the first shot.

Well, that's me being dramatic. But seriously, guys... read my lips... NOT EVERYONE HAS TO BE IMPRESSED OR EVEN CONVINCED OF SIDIOUS' ABILITIES AS ARE YOU. That is common sense. Live it up.

And the same goes for other characters.

Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Now. Ehem, that I have regained my composure - and let loose a little immaturity and steam, perhaps I have made my point. I see so many of you insulting, slandering, and generally mocking Sidious's skills of manipulating. You so frequently insult it - making it look to be a little charlatan's game. Nothing worth mentioning. And then, you take Count Dooku - and NOW you think Sidious is actually good at manipulating people. Jesus. Pick a side and STAY on it.

Count Dooku is one hell of a duellist. And I DID give proof that shows if ANYONE is more powerful of Sidious and Dooku - it IS Sidious.

I did pick a side, ever since i first posted i sided with Dooku, and i never once said that Sidious was not good at manipulation, Not once.

Yet you also make Count Dooku out to be something comparable to a fool. I am not extremely biased towards Sidious. To me, Count Dooku isn't blind or completely fooled. There had to be something more than Sidious's superior intellect that kept Dooku in line. Though Palpatine has never been one for true Sith tradition, one is instinct. If the master is weak - the apprentice strikes him down. Dooku was ambitious. Maul was not, being kidnapped as an infant, where Sidious trained him to serve him unconditionally.

Dooku is an aristocrat and a clever man. He had ambitions. But clearly, he was prevented from acting on them. And you base it towards the manipulations of Sidious? Ridiculous.

Dooku did spend 7 decades as a Jedi so maybe that was the reason Dooku never tried to kill Sidious.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
You know, I'm about up to here with the whole "Sidious/Vader faction". Everyone NOt in that subgroup stand to the left. Everyone still on the right, stand still so we can kill you on the first shot.

Well, that's me being dramatic. But seriously, guys... read my lips... NOT EVERYONE HAS TO BE IMPRESSED OR EVEN CONVINCED OF SIDIOUS' ABILITIES AS ARE YOU. That is common sense. Live it up.

Yes, and if i believe one character is not as powerful as people say they, are, dont try and negotiate with me because I wont change my mind. If I believe dooku is a very powerful master or is anyone else is a very good duelist, then just agree with me or dont type anything at all.

Arbiter, if you're referring to something along the lines of a conscience, you're sadly mistaken. Count Dooku is a murderer, and he will kill. He did not fail to act against Sidious out of a lack of will to kill. Hell no. He did it either out of:

1. Fear of Sidious and his superior power.
2. True lack of ambition to act (doubtful).
3. Sidious still had knowledge of the Force that the Count lacked.

Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Yet you also make Count Dooku out to be something comparable to a fool. I am not extremely biased towards Sidious. To me, Count Dooku isn't blind or completely fooled. There had to be something more than Sidious's superior intellect that kept Dooku in line. Though Palpatine has never been one for true Sith tradition, one is instinct. If the master is weak - the apprentice strikes him down. Dooku was ambitious. Maul was not, being kidnapped as an infant, where Sidious trained him to serve him unconditionally.

Dooku is an aristocrat and a clever man. He had ambitions. But clearly, he was prevented from acting on them. And you base it towards the manipulations of Sidious? Ridiculous.

U underestimate Sidious. And i do base it of Sids Manipulation, why? because he has shown everyone what he can do. He fooled every damn person in the galaxy(exagerated) And you believe he cant do it to one person? Please, thats ridiculous.

Sidious..by a single white hair.

I am a Sidious fan. But I do not act in bias. I believe Count Dooku was highly intelligent and very clever. It is true Sidious had the superior intellect. I believe even Nai had the...I dunno...decency to admit that Dooku couldn't have brought about the Empire. Dooku was manipulated, true. But Sidious was the superior Sith Lord. All evidence proves TO that.

He was the superior leader because of all those reasons. He was not the best sith lord. If meaning as a lightsaber wielder or some extent of force mastery. And all evidence does prove that. Sidious is the better leader, true cuz he can do things Dooku cant. I mean can One president be the best just cuz he can beat up another leader? No!
Its because he is way smarter, and he knows how to lead a country, or in this case an empire/republic.

Admiral, I'll argue with you all tomorrow. I'll re-state my evidence and push forward once more. Nighty night.

U just do that, go look for some good sites and show me that sids is actually better than i say he is.

Well.........uh guys let's keep this friendly I don't want to get banned for starting a fight.

Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Now. Ehem, that I have regained my composure - and let loose a little immaturity and steam, perhaps I have made my point. I see so many of you insulting, slandering, and generally mocking Sidious's skills of manipulating. You so frequently insult it - making it look to be a little charlatan's game. Nothing worth mentioning. And then, you take Count Dooku - and NOW you think Sidious is actually good at manipulating people. Jesus. Pick a side and STAY on it.

Count Dooku is one hell of a duellist. And I DID give proof that shows if ANYONE is more powerful of Sidious and Dooku - it IS Sidious.

DO YOU NOT GET IT OR ARE YOU JUST FLAT OUT HAVE DOWN SYNDROME?

SIDIOUS IS NOT A GOD! YES, HE IS EXTREMELY POWERFUL AND MANIPULATIVE BUT HE ISN'T F*CKING INVINCIBLE!

FOR CHRIST SAKES, HE GOT BENCH PRESSED BY A GUY WHO WAS MOSTLY ARTIFICIAL!

GROW A BRAIN, SON!

Originally posted by LordSorgo
DO YOU NOT GET IT OR ARE YOU JUST FLAT OUT HAVE DOWN SYNDROME?

SIDIOUS IS NOT A GOD! YES, HE IS EXTREMELY POWERFUL AND MANIPULATIVE BUT HE ISN'T F*CKING INVINCIBLE!

FOR CHRIST SAKES, HE GOT BENCH PRESSED BY A GUY WHO WAS MOSTLY ARTIFICIAL!

GROW A BRAIN, SON!

LMFAO

Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Arbiter, if you're referring to something along the lines of a conscience, you're sadly mistaken. Count Dooku is a murderer, and he will kill. He did not fail to act against Sidious out of a lack of will to kill. Hell no. He did it either out of:

1. Fear of Sidious and his superior power.
2. True lack of ambition to act (doubtful).
3. Sidious still had knowledge of the Force that the Count lacked.

Name one person he killed in direct combat.

Originally posted by LordSorgo
DO YOU NOT GET IT OR ARE YOU JUST FLAT OUT HAVE DOWN SYNDROME?

SIDIOUS IS NOT A GOD! YES, HE IS EXTREMELY POWERFUL AND MANIPULATIVE BUT HE ISN'T F*CKING INVINCIBLE!

FOR CHRIST SAKES, HE GOT BENCH PRESSED BY A GUY WHO WAS MOSTLY ARTIFICIAL!

GROW A BRAIN, SON!

Actaully that more resembles a military press which is..........so Sidious is even more of a loser so...........he sucks.............. and is falling down a large shaft....... Darth_someblody can go with him.

I'd advise you to keep those particular jokes - such as the one that involves my death - to yourself. I would hate to see you banned over a domestic situation here. If you can't beat me in an argument, keep your comments to yourself. K? Good.

The artificial remark is actually more of a reason he was defeated. Luke, Dooku, Sidious, or Maul could never beat Vader in brute strength. He was stronger than all four of them. Sidious isn't particularly big either. So considering Vader picked him up and tossed him down a shaft - and was mortally wounded in the process - doesn't say much.

Anakin couldn't pick Sidious up with one hand. And neither could anyone else. It's something only a machine (Vader) could do.