Originally posted by Darth Somebody
I'm not excusing Sidious's death. I am saying that even a one handed Vader is stronger (physically) than Count Dooku, Mace, or Anakin. You were trying to insinuate Sidious was killed fairly easily, which I could agree to. But Vader's one arm holds more strength than any TWO of anyone else (except Grievous).1. Count Dooku IS Darth Sidious's apprentice. No one, myself, Nai, OR Janus know the true reason. Yet in any other instance, we all believe that the master retains that title because he is the stronger of the two. And yet in this case, you say the opposite? Count Dooku is indeed vastly under-rated. But that does not mean you need to go and over-rate him.
2. I will be the first to admit Sidious is not a Force god. I have said he would get defeated by several people, including: Yoda, NJO Luke, Revan. Though I don't take it to the extremes you all do by often using the term of "owned". Many of you all believe Sidious to be weak and often imply that he has pathetic saber skills. He may not be a Tulak Hord or Darth Revan, but that does not mean he is weak. He struck down three Jedi Masters in three seconds and held his own against Mace and Yoda.
3. Nai, once more, you're making it sound like Sidious accomplished an easy task. I would advise you to remember that (I have stated this time again) no other Sith Lord - to our knowledge - has done what Sidious has done, whether it be by brute force or deception. As I would respect Revan for being the tactical gargantuan that he is or Tulak Hord for being the greatest Sith duelist - or Marka Ragnos for having an unparalleled reign - you ought to understand that neither of these three have conquered the galaxy (or even CLOSE) to what Sidious did.
Accomplishments aside, this has nothing to do with the duel. I respect and understand that. Sidious's ability to manipulate won't help him here, will it? No, and I agree.
But Vader's one arm holds more strength than any TWO of anyone else (except Grievous).
Until you show me proof of this, it remains an opinion.
Yet in any other instance, we all believe that the master retains that title because he is the stronger of the two. And yet in this case, you say the opposite? Count Dooku is indeed vastly under-rated. But that does not mean you need to go and over-rate him.
Sidious is a persuasive political figure with alot of Force power. Dooku has almost as much force power, except he isn't as Force-powerful as Sidious is. Although Dooku's saber skills ARE better than Sidious', whether you like it or not.
Many of you all believe Sidious to be weak and often imply that he has pathetic saber skills. He may not be a Tulak Hord or Darth Revan, but that does not mean he is weak. He struck down three Jedi Masters in three seconds and held his own against Mace and Yoda.
No one said he was weak, but Dooku's lightsaber skills are just flat out plain and simple better than Sidious' are.
He killed one master by suprise... Maybe two... he owned Kit and Mace owned Sidious. The Sidious and Yoda fight was pretty fair, but Sidious used the power of the force to lean the edge to himself on that fight.
He struck down three Jedi Masters in three seconds
That's the most pathetic attempt i have seen to try to make Sidious look good. It was 9-11 seconds and Kit held out for three of those seconds.
Originally posted by Count Dooku
[B]But Vader's one arm holds more strength than any TWO of anyone else (except Grievous).Until you show me proof of this, it remains an opinion.
Yet in any other instance, we all believe that the master retains that title because he is the stronger of the two. And yet in this case, you say the opposite? Count Dooku is indeed vastly under-rated. But that does not mean you need to go and over-rate him.
Sidious is a persuasive political figure with alot of Force power. Dooku has almost as much force power, except he isn't as Force-powerful as Sidious is. Although Dooku's saber skills ARE better than Sidious', whether you like it or not.
Many of you all believe Sidious to be weak and often imply that he has pathetic saber skills. He may not be a Tulak Hord or Darth Revan, but that does not mean he is weak. He struck down three Jedi Masters in three seconds and held his own against Mace and Yoda.
No one said he was weak, but Dooku's lightsaber skills are just flat out plain and simple better than Sidious' are.
He killed one master by suprise... Maybe two... he owned Kit and Mace owned Sidious. The Sidious and Yoda fight was pretty fair, but Sidious used the power of the force to lean the edge to himself on that fight.
He struck down three Jedi Masters in three seconds
That's the most pathetic attempt i have seen to try to make Sidious look good. It was 9-11 seconds and Kit held out for three of those seconds. [/B]
That last one there, on Kit. . . he held out for all of those seconds, a couple with Sidious' full force.
I'm wondering, however, where you say that Kit Fisto and the others were killed off guard? If memory serves, all four Jedi Masters had their lightsabers drawn, ignited, and held at the ready. This signifies that they were prepared - Lordsorgo. I don't think you'll have any proof to support that theory.
Sidious was simply faster, smarter, and stronger. He wiped out two of them - sparred with Kit (and as Darth Windu so nicely put it - held his own for ALL of those seconds - a great achivement...Lol). Then Sidious swiped at him, and killed him.
Then Mace is a whole different story. The Star Wars databank says that Mace overpowered Sidious and disarmed him fairly. I'm willing to admit that - if the site's information IS true to its word.
Originally posted by Darth Somebody
I'm wondering, however, where you say that Kit Fisto and the others were killed off guard? If memory serves, all four Jedi Masters had their lightsabers drawn, ignited, and held at the ready. This signifies that they were prepared - Lordsorgo. I don't think you'll have any proof to support that theory.Sidious was simply faster, smarter, and stronger. He wiped out two of them - sparred with Kit (and as Darth Windu so nicely put it - held his own for ALL of those seconds - a great achivement...Lol). Then Sidious swiped at him, and killed him.
Then Mace is a whole different story. The Star Wars databank says that Mace overpowered Sidious and disarmed him fairly. I'm willing to admit that - if the site's information IS true to its word.
Jedi Master Saesee Tiin, a telepathic Iktotchi from the Iktotch
Here is how it goes down. Agen may have had his lightsaber drawn but it means shit ,really. He was not expecting Sids to attack so quickly. So he unfotunatley died. And Tinn was so concentrated on Sids thoughts he could not react fast enough. And Fisto is no competition for sids, really.
Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Oh please...? Lordsorgo wanted proof - I gave it to him. But what is your excuse, Ackbar? I'm sure Vader cheated or the Rebel was lightweight, correct?
Vader has his a mechanized arm,no shit he could lift him/drag him and choke him. But why the hell would he use one hand in a fight against Dooku. So what his one arm is stronger. And his one hand is equal to dooku's two. ANd fighting with one arm gives you no support or stability.