Dooku vs. Sidious

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Jedi Master Saesee Tiin, a telepathic Iktotchi from the Iktotch

Here is how it goes down. Agen may have had his lightsaber drawn but it means shit ,really. He was not expecting Sids to attack so quickly. So he unfotunatley died. And Tinn was so concentrated on Sids thoughts he could not react fast enough. And Fisto is no competition for sids, really.

You cant expect GL would just let them die in 3 seconds, without a fight. There is a reason that sids was able to kill them. THere is a reason for everything. Use your head. Sids dident kill them cuz he is uber cool. HE must have planeed how to suprise them in every way. He even asked them to try to read his mind, and see what he is thinking. They obviously did.

You have speculation. Nothing more.

Originally posted by Darth Somebody
You have speculation. Nothing more.

? I went to the star wars site and wikkepdia to get the info.

According to Darth Janus, the site from the databank and Wikipedia are ambigious and aren't iron-clad. So therefore, I suppose even what it says is speculation. Of course Janus could just be covering his ass, but I doubt it.

Hey, look at what i wrote! STar Wars site and Wikkepdia. I used two sources to secure the information, that means it said the same on both!
(Gasp), Now I dont believe its me that's speculating.

Wow, is this a joke? There has to be at least one site with the right information. And the two top sites are ambigious? Im not arguing with you anymore.

I didn't say it was ambigious. Darth Janus said so.

Can't be if there is no reliable source, then how can we prove anything. This is ridiculous.

Then take it up with him. I'm just the messenger. I offered him proof from the Star Wars site where it said Sidious was stronger than Yoda (Yoda's databank profile) and he said it can't be considered valid.

Facts like what happened and where can be valid on the SW site, but like you said yourself... According to it Mace won fair and square. If we accept the site's author's take on everything, we have to say that Mace beat Sidious' ass. And that Assajj Ventress has -perfected- dual lightsaber combat, meaning she would be beater than anyone else in the series with two blades, give or take some portion of ability on the other party's end. I think why this is all so hard is that there are so many people tampering with Gl's world, and they all have their own take on things. Like I said, Nick Gillard's take on everything is that Anakin SKywalker is a better lightsaber duellist than Obi-Wan by ROTS, he just never mastered the head game. That's an odd statement when you consider Anakin pretty much duped Dooku, a Jedi master of double the skill of Obi-Wan. And then Obi went on to beat his ass. And again, the site says Sidious was too powerful, but that is a piss-poor observation since Yoda and Sidious (if I have to make a judgment more in favor with the common opinion) were matched. It was Sidious' use of the terrain that gave him a rather lucky victory. So how can Sidious be too powerful for Yoda? On level ground, they perhaps could have fought for an hour or more...

As for the three insta-dead Jedi... This I believe was to give fanboys a kick in the balls and to make Sidious be the über pimp Sith lord. Pay no heed to how cheesy all three deaths were, or that one of the jedi masters was outright pathetic and Tiin is no saber master. As for Kit Fisto, he was about as good as Obi-Wan once upon a time, but he did get punk'd by Assajj, meaning he still had a long way to go. And when Sidious was fighting Mace, the jedi had the fight completely under control, and suddenly Sidious was on his ass.

Of course, if Sam Jackson didn't want his character to go out like a punk, we might not even be discussing this right now.

The SW site isn't very reliable. It says that Poggle the Lesser isn't in EP3 but in the Mustafar assasination scene he is seen talking to other seperatists. In the character bio there is a column that has a list 1-6-EU
And it only has him in EP2. The site is updated because it says he was murdered by Vader on Mustafar

Windu's hasn't been updated neither.

Windu's was updated I read it myself.

but back to the thread, what i dont understand, im not downing your opinions, but give me a reason why, dooko would be sidious, to me thats just newbish, but thats just me. but i really want a reason why, like how is dooko a better force user, and how is he a better swordsmen?!!!! thats wat i want to kjnow.
but i think sid would easily win, or at the most a yoda fight, and thats still giving to much credit lol. sry my opinion though lol

Well Dooku was a Jedi Master in the Jedi Order. Dooku's master of the lightsaber was unequalled in the entire order. The only reason he wasn't on the council was because he disobeyed it a lot. If Dooku was on the council he would have been second of the council instead of Mace.

Originally posted by Aduruth
but back to the thread, what i dont understand, im not downing your opinions, but give me a reason why, dooko would be sidious, to me thats just newbish, but thats just me. but i really want a reason why, like how is dooko a better force user, and how is he a better swordsmen?!!!! thats wat i want to kjnow.
but i think sid would easily win, or at the most a yoda fight, and thats still giving to much credit lol. sry my opinion though lol

They DON'T have a reason to indicate Dooku to be the superior Force user. Because he isn't. It isn't even equal. Dooku, from what I see, is better than Sidious in swordplay, combat experience, and combat tactics. But Sidious is better than Dooku in Force Connection, Force Mastery, and Raw Power.

Why would you say that?

Count Dooku is a master of Makashi, which is easily the greatest form of lightsaber dueling in the prequel movies - and possibly in the entire Star Wars universe. He handles himself expertly and efficiently. He is not physically powerful, but instead relies on precision and accuracy. He has around eight decades of experience in dueling and using the Force, so he is quite the combatant. He uses strategy in his dueling. He could never compete with Yoda, Sidious, Mace, or Obi-Wan in sheer power. Instead, he makes up for it in combat intelligence and dueling skill.

Count Dooku is also a master of the Force, you could say. He is adept in most - if not all - of the Sith Arts - including the deadly Force Lightning. We do not know the full extent of his powers compared to Darth Sidious's, but we would assume that naturally, Sidious's is more powerful. He is the master and is obviously possesses more knowledge of the Force - and of the Dark Side - than Dooku.

Darth Sidious is also an expert swordfighter, despite that which Nai, Windu, and Janus say. He slayed three Jedi Masters with little effort, though he did have trouble with Mace Windu (according to the Star Wars site, Windu beat him) and Master Yoda. He is NOT as precise or as efficient as Count Dooku, yet he is much more of a powerhouse. He and Yoda are similar in that respect. Both manipulate the Force to make up for their lack of mobility, whereas Makashi only requires the combatant to stay still - instead of flips and jumps.

Sidious is obviously more skilled and smarter in the ways of the Force, despite his younger age than Dooku. It would not be lying to claim that Sidious has the greater Force Connection. He is younger, and yet he manipulates the Force in ways we have not seen Dooku do. He is sort of omniscent in a sort of way. Dooku was, for all of his skill, in the end, a mere pawn.

Sidious has a mastery of the Force that Dooku doesn't seem to compare to. Dooku has fired Force lightning from Yoda, who turned it away with a negligant flip of his wrist. However, whilst combating Sidious - he is strained and it requires a great deal of effort. Sidious HAS - in fact - overwhelmed Yoda's defenses and blasted him across the room. Dooku has not overpowered Yoda once, as far as we know, using the Force - whereas Sidious did.

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Darth Sidious and Count Dooku are an excellent master/apprentice combination. Count Dooku is a superb duelist, Force-user, and skilled swordsman. But in the end, he would fall to either the blade, the lightning, or the perpetual glare of his nefarious master, Darth Sidious.