Michael and Lucifer Vs TOAA

Originally posted by leonheartmm
yup thas where the spirit of destiny came from, the warrior longinus killed jesus with his spear while he was crucified, n thas why the spear has such amazing powers, cause it killed the son of god{supposedly, he wasnt exactly shown to be as powerful or significant as lucifer/micheal who r considered the real sons of god}

Thats because Jesus was literally God unlike Lucifer or Michael who are created to be Gods successors. Jesus is Gods son aspect just like Presence is the father aspect.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats because Jesus was literally God unlike Lucifer or Michael who are created to be Gods successors. Jesus is Gods son aspect just like Presence is the father aspect.

It's still blasphemous. There are angels that are more powerful than the thrid person of God! In these comics, 'God' has an equal! That is 100% against the Bible.

This is the #1 reason why comics shouldn't intertwine with religion.

Shame on you DC Comics, and an eternity of purgatory.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Lucifer making his creation against the will of the Presence isnt evidence of him being comparable in power to Presence. It just means he rebelled against his father. Please dont suggest such things Leon.

For when Yahweh left his creation everything fell apart and it was beyond Lucifers power to fix.

do not pretend to tell me wat to or not to do, u basically go against everythin i have to say just for the heck of it, yes it doesnt MEAN that he is more powerful than the presence, n if u had gone through wat i said with the same thouroughnesss as u go through some pheonix feats u wud realize that i never SAID that it did, all i was saying was that the presence is not INFALLIABLE and ALL powerful in dc, ofcourse its more powerful than lucifer but its not complete power which some peopel here beleieve to be the case. and yes when yahweh left creation things did indeed fall apart but there is ALSO no evidence of suggestin that lucifer cud not handle it, for one thing, lucifer never really tried, he had after all no real interest in that creation, it wasnt shown that lucifer ever stroggled to hold things together, so thas void, this is further proven by the fact that lucifer was half the power behind the first creation, n also, he DID manage his OWN creation quite well singlehandedly without the will of the presence, infact he managed it just as good as the presence without any help., so theres really no argument backing up the fact that lucifer cudnt handle this creation, stop arguing with me just for the heck of it.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats because Jesus was literally God unlike Lucifer or Michael who are created to be Gods successors. Jesus is Gods son aspect just like Presence is the father aspect.

its also not shown that jesus WAS god, after all he DID die, at the hands of humans too, he wasnt really on the angelic significance or status.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
do not pretend to tell me wat to or not to do, u basically go against everythin i have to say just for the heck of it, yes it doesnt MEAN that he is more powerful than the presence, n if u had gone through wat i said with the same thouroughnesss as u go through some pheonix feats u wud realize that i never SAID that it did, all i was saying was that the presence is not INFALLIABLE and ALL powerful in dc, ofcourse its more powerful than lucifer but its not complete power which some peopel here beleieve to be the case. and yes when yahweh left creation things did indeed fall apart but there is ALSO no evidence of suggestin that lucifer cud not handle it, for one thing, lucifer never really tried, he had after all no real interest in that creation, it wasnt shown that lucifer ever stroggled to hold things together, so thas void, this is further proven by the fact that lucifer was half the power behind the first creation, n also, he DID manage his OWN creation quite well singlehandedly without the will of the presence, infact he managed it just as good as the presence without any help., so theres really no argument backing up the fact that lucifer cudnt handle this creation, stop arguing with me just for the heck of it.

Man has free will. We can go against the will of God. It's called sin.

leonheartmm your assuming that the bible,relegion,and other aspects relating to that are true.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
It's still blasphemous. There are angels that are more powerful than the thrid person of God! In these comics, 'God' has an equal! That is 100% against the Bible.

This is the #1 reason why comics shouldn't intertwine with religion.

Shame on you DC Comics, and an eternity of purgatory.

for YOUR sake, i hope ur bein sarcastic.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
its also not shown that jesus WAS god, after all he DID die, at the hands of humans too, he wasnt really on the angelic significance or status.

Jesus GAVE his life. "No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again."

No one killed him.

This is sad.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
for YOUR sake, i hope ur bein sarcastic.

Why would I be?

Originally posted by Mordum
leonheartmm your assuming that the bible,relegion,and other aspects relating to that are true.

no im not, where did those come from, im only lookin at what ive seen in vertigo.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no im not, where did those come from, im only lookin at what ive seen in vertigo.

As far as I'm concerned, Vertigo is going to hell. They're twisting Christianity for personal profit. Whether your religious or not, that is blatantly morally wrong.

Originally posted by Mordum
leonheartmm your assuming that the bible,relegion,and other aspects relating to that are true.

I'm about to swear off comic books forever.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Jesus GAVE his life. "No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again."

No one killed him.

This is sad.

erm, this is vertigo were talkin about NOT the real world, n this is off topic but u do realize that its the FAITH that tells u this n noth the real world, jesus died, almost starved, thirsty, with loss of blood n pain, in the end he was killed{if he hadnt already died} from the spear that longinus plunged in his ribs to make sure, there nuthin to suggest that no man killed him, its just ur faith sayin it, just like muslims believe that jesus didnt die at all, but it was another man who looked like him that god sacrificed n jesus was raised up fro the earth to the heavens by god himself{as a messnger n not a son} before the guy who looked like him was falsely crusified. u dont believe in that, its all just faith tellin u.

God/The Presence is the top, nobody else is above him. God never tried to stop Lucifer making his own creation, why are ppl saying this???

As i have said before the realm where the Silver City is at is not in the same time period as the regular creation, in JLA 1 of the angels was talking with Zauriel bout Michael leaving Heaven because of a earth girl and also warned him that Michael is no longer in Heaven. Zauriel didn't want to hear about the story and still wanted to become mortal (because he liked a earth girl). this of course is just an opinion but however they seem to have the same history.

The Presence has only left creation just in 2003, he at this point hasn't returned yet! Lucifer has been trying to get away from Gods plan and God himself in #40 told Lucifer he was wasting his time trying to get away from the plan because everything Lucifer was doing is already thought of by God and was already planned out thousands of times. Preacher isn't connected to DC/Vertigo Universe.

Michael still said that neverless everything Michael/Lucifer make is Gods.
There has only been 1 equal to The Presence and that is TGEB.

Jesus/The Word is God in the flesh, as seen in Swamp Thing.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
erm, this is vertigo were talkin about NOT the real world, n this is off topic but u do realize that its the FAITH that tells u this n noth the real world, jesus died, almost starved, thirsty, with loss of blood n pain, in the end he was killed{if he hadnt already died} from the spear that longinus plunged in his ribs to make sure, there nuthin to suggest that no man killed him, its just ur faith sayin it, just like muslims believe that jesus didnt die at all, but it was another man who looked like him that god sacrificed n jesus was raised up fro the earth to the heavens by god himself{as a messnger n not a son} before the guy who looked like him was falsely crusified. u dont believe in that, its all just faith tellin u.

Vertigo shouldn't use a twisted version of Christianity in their comics. They're like the anti-christ. Don't compare them to the Muslim or Jewish faiths. They are totally different. Vertigo's sole motive is profit. In Vertigo, Jesus is a person of God, but less powerful than angels? NONE of the three faiths place angels at a higher role than a person of God. None of them believe in an entity that is equal to God. Religion has no place in comics. Plain and simple. It's blasphemy, and it's morally wrong.

The argument was over long ago. If TOAA is the supreme being, he will win.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
do not pretend to tell me wat to or not to do, u basically go against everythin i have to say just for the heck of it, yes it doesnt MEAN that he is more powerful than the presence, n if u had gone through wat i said with the same thouroughnesss as u go through some pheonix feats u wud realize that i never SAID that it did, all i was saying was that the presence is not INFALLIABLE and ALL powerful in dc, ofcourse its more powerful than lucifer but its not complete power which some peopel here beleieve to be the case. and yes when yahweh left creation things did indeed fall apart but there is ALSO no evidence of suggestin that lucifer cud not handle it, for one thing, lucifer never really tried, he had after all no real interest in that creation, it wasnt shown that lucifer ever stroggled to hold things together, so thas void, this is further proven by the fact that lucifer was half the power behind the first creation, n also, he DID manage his OWN creation quite well singlehandedly without the will of the presence, infact he managed it just as good as the presence without any help., so theres really no argument backing up the fact that lucifer cudnt handle this creation, stop arguing with me just for the heck of it.

Leon you are so deluded. I have no personal vendetta against you. Have you thought that i might always post against you because more often than not the info in your posts is false 😉

All your posts are just speculation, assumptions, your opinion basically on how you think things should be. Theres not any fact in the above.

At the end of the day all creation was threatened and Lucifer couldnt do a thing about it. Even his own creation was threatened and yet Lucifer couldnt do a thing about it. If he couldve he wouldve. He never.

Lucifers power went on a downward spiral when Presence left creation yet you feel that potentially he equates to his father? 😕

On top of that Lucifers power never fueled half of creation. His power wasnt necessary as stated by Yahweh himself. Neither of the brothers were necessary. Yahweh said his creation wouldve formed itself, he merely allowed the brothers to take part as HE made creation just so that they could learn and have practice in how to use their powers in preparation for when Yahweh would choose one of them to be his successor. Yahweh did all the work. They were his assistants.

To support that heres Lucifer while shaping his own creation saying how he'd never made a universe before:

Your whole understanding behind the brothers, their role and what theyre responsible for is flawed. Stop presenting your opinion as fact. Especially when your opinion is based on such a mess of an understanding. 🙁

Originally posted by leonheartmm
its also not shown that jesus WAS god, after all he DID die, at the hands of humans too, he wasnt really on the angelic significance or status.

The whole point of Jesus was to die for mans sins. That was the whole point Leon, what on earth are you on about? LOL

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Vertigo shouldn't use a twisted version of Christianity in their comics. They're like the anti-christ. Don't compare them to the Muslim or Jewish faiths. They are totally different. Vertigo's sole motive is profit. In Vertigo, Jesus is a person of God, but less powerful than angels? NONE of the three faiths place angels at a higher role than a person of God. None of them believe in an entity that is equal to God. Religion has no place in comics. Plain and simple. It's blasphemy, and it's morally wrong.

The argument was over long ago. If TOAA is the supreme being, he will win.

actually, supposedly, in relegions other than christianity{specially islam} its only the role of prophets thas greater, NOT their power, gabrielle was said to be more powerful tha any prophet, so was mikhail, azreal, n israfeel{pronounciation in arabic} , the prophets were said to be men who died{n yea, jesus is also not accepted by other faiths as the son of god or anythin compareable}, those angels are far stronger than any prophet, anyway, after seein how much moral WRONG, the relegious scholars/leaders/devout followers do im not really inclined to say anythin against vertigo cause what vertogi is doin doesnt even come close to comparin to them n the relegion itself, n i think its partially the desire to open up the flawed logic of a loving god etc, that vertigo made lucifer the good guy n god not the stereotypical lovely being but a flawed tyrant. plus vertigo comics r the best non manga comics currently.

Tell me, GS, do you think these comics are blasphemous?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Tell me, GS, do you think these comics are blasphemous?

I dont take it that seriously as its just fiction and its not trying to present itself as an accurate representation. But i guess technically they are.

BTW as ive just highlighted above Leonhs knowledge on the subject matter is awful. Trust me. Please dont base your views of the comics on what Leon posts 😂