Originally posted by Xplosive
Because in the end, everything exist ebacsue of God, everything was created by God, everything that happened, is because God started it.
However the multiverse came about because of Krona it wasnt something God created. In Crisis on Infinite Earths the multiverse was said to be something beyond Spectres masters imagining.
lmao, exactly WHAT does that scan show or prove?! i see absolutely NUTHING that tells of lucifer's rebellion being the presence's plan or of the presence having power over lucifer{creation as seen does not guaruntee power OVER} it only tells of sameal's rebellion as a way of letting lucifer reflect on his actions, and in the end even the voice ADMITS that it foresaw everythin in sameal's rebellion untill THEN, which mean that the presence is NOT infalliable{n if i hadnt addressed this riduculous scan of urs due to bein tired of tryin to cinvince, u wudv easily manipulated it to PROVE to people that it inded does prove that the presence owns lucifer and everythin he does or creates}
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
However the multiverse came about because of Krona it wasnt something God created. In Crisis on Infinite Earths the multiverse was said to be something beyond Spectres masters imagining.
Yes true, because God didn't plan that. But Multiverse was created, because of God in the end, because God stared the universe.
And kevdude said that Krona messed up the Universe making it a Multiverse, so he could do that, because of God.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Yes true, because God didn't plan that. But Multiverse was created, because of God in the end, because God stared the universe.
And kevdude said that Krona messed up the Universe making it a Multiverse, so he could do that, because of God.
XP that doesnt really mean anything, i fail to see your point and how you are contributing to the debate in question.
The crux of the matter is that the multiverse was brought about by Krona not god directly.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
XP that doesnt really mean anything, i fail to see your point and how you are contributing to the debate in question.The crux of the matter is that the multiverse was brought about by Krona not god directly.
Yes, true. But Krona was able to do that, because of God.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
lmao, exactly WHAT does that scan show or prove?! i see absolutely NUTHING that tells of lucifer's rebellion being the presence's plan or of the presence having power over lucifer{creation as seen does not guaruntee power OVER} it only tells of sameal's rebellion as a way of letting lucifer reflect on his actions, and in the end even the voice ADMITS that it foresaw everythin in sameal's rebellion untill THEN, which mean that the presence is NOT infalliable{n if i hadnt addressed this riduculous scan of urs due to bein tired of tryin to cinvince, u wudv easily manipulated it to PROVE to people that it inded does prove that the presence owns lucifer and everythin he does or creates}
In Lucifer 39 Yahweh talks to the brothers about his great plan and why he has chosen who he has to be his successor. He starts off by saying that the brothers and the roles they played in the making of creation was unneccessary. Creation wouldve formed itself however he wanted to prepare the brothers for the time when he would choose a successor so by taking part they'd learn the necessary skills:
He then goes on to tell the brothers that he created the host only because of the role he had intended for the brothers. They were peers through which the brothers could learn right and wrong, mature and develop with. Yahweh then reveals that the rebellion was a part of his plan by saying how else could Lucifer have had a rebellion if it wasnt for him creating the host to be his followers, he says theres a reason for everything he does, that the rebellion was the point, it was something he intended and expected from one of the brothers at least. Yahweh then says how disappointed he was with Michael for not questioning his existence and gods right to act as he does over creation. He however was pleased with Lucifer and says up until this point he had acted according to the plan. So conclusively you have proof there that the rebellion was a part of the plan.
As for having power over Lucifer the fact that his power dwindled with Yahwehs absence says it all. Thats quite conclusive my friend 🙂
Originally posted by Xplosive
Yes, true. But Krona was able to do that, because of God.
Yes because god created him but so what? The creation of the multiverse wasnt a part of gods plans and thats the crux of the matter. I fail to see what point youre trying to make, this has very little to do with the debate. Its just like youre trying to be right on one thing at least even if it has nothing to with the thread LOL. 😉
I have never seen or read any part of Swamp Thing that ever said he had power to destroy The Presence, and i've also read all of the swamp thing history page and there is nothing that says he ever did that. the only time people could get confused about this is when The Great Darkness (TGEB) went up against God and Constantine figured out Swamp Things full powers and he went to talk to the Beast but could not stop it. The Presence/God/Yahweh does > everyone.
Gs could u post a few times when the angels talked about the Presence??? been waiting a few days, u dont have to do it, i could just buy them, but pretty pls 😛
Originally posted by kevdude
I have never seen or read any part of Swamp Thing that ever said he had power to destroy The Presence, and i've also read all of the swamp thing history page and there is nothing that says he ever did that. the only time people could get confused about this is when The Great Darkness (TGEB) went up against God and Constantine figured out Swamp Things full powers and he went to talk to the Beast but could not stop it. The Presence/God/Yahweh does > everyone.Gs could u post a few times when the angels talked about the Presence??? been waiting a few days, u dont have to do it, i could just buy them, but pretty pls 😛
Do u know what issues they have talked about Presence in?
