Scarlet Witch vs Adam Warlock(w/IG.) inside 616 universe

Originally posted by demigawd
The IG makes you Eternity level. Thanos wrested control from Eternity not because of the IG, but because he WILLED it so. He out Eternitied Eternity.

SW destroyed many Eternities with her chaos wave.

that's obviously not completely correct -- clearly without the IG adam never could have even approached eternity, let alone 'ousted' him, but i see what you're trying to say. however, were the IG not above eternity, eternity could have rested back control. he couldn't, so i'd say the IG was above eternity, though still (from all evidence) only a universal power.

that doesn't answer the omniscient question though -- thanos clearly implied he could foretell what was coming before the heroes did it. maybe a bit of pis, but this ability would likely allow him to counter wanda before wanda could do anything. it sort of comes down to this for me -- can wanda's human mind react faster than the mind of the IG wearer? i don't know. is the wearer 'literally' transformed into a cosmic entity, automatically gaining all the IG'S powers, or is it still a mortal who needs to concentrate on the IG to make things happen? if it's mortal mind v mortal mind, wanda may be able to act first. if the latter, the IG wearer could instantaneously stop time (and wanda's thought processes) or do any number of things before wanda could ever act.

Originally posted by Xplosive
I don't know how can you compare SW to HOTU, I mean already because against SW waren't higer comsic level (or tha she affected them, she wasn't) and against HOTU were, that already tells the answer.

Uh...what?

A collapsed galaxy it's a bigger black hole, in fact that is the way of every galaxy dies. Nowadays physics says there is black hole in the center of every galaxy in the universe. Any omnipotent can easily manipulate a stupid black hole. Although if you ask me why I post that I wont know why, I just did it.

Originally posted by demigawd
Uh...what?

In other word, you cant prove SW goes beyond IG. Nothing proved SW to affected Eternity like you said so. IG is beyond SW.

Originally posted by demigawd
Uh...what?

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that's what happens when non-jla guys jump into a jla-level debate!!

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just kidding guys . . .

damn, that sounded more like eliteist authority-speak . . . 😄

Originally posted by leonidas
that's obviously not completely correct -- clearly without the IG adam never could have even approached eternity, let alone 'ousted' him, but i see what you're trying to say. however, were the IG not above eternity, eternity could have rested back control. he couldn't, so i'd say the IG was above eternity, though still (from all evidence) only a universal power.

that doesn't answer the omniscient question though -- thanos clearly implied he could foretell what was coming before the heroes did it. maybe a bit of pis, but this ability would likely allow him to counter wanda before wanda could do anything. it sort of comes down to this for me -- can wanda's human mind react faster than the mind of the IG wearer? i don't know. is the wearer 'literally' transformed into a cosmic entity, automatically gaining all the IG'S powers, or is it still a mortal who needs to concentrate on the IG to make things happen? if it's mortal mind v mortal mind, wanda may be able to act first. if the latter, the IG wearer could instantaneously stop time (and wanda's thought processes) or do any number of things before wanda could ever act.

I go back to Strange's battle with Warlock for that answer. Warlock wasn't able to predict Strange's moves, and Strange was able to counter everything Warlock did. If Warlock was able to control his omniscience, or for that matter, if Thanos were, they wouldn't have gotten into the messes they did. You could explain away Thanos as wanted to do himself in...but what about Nebula? What about Warlock?

I submit that there's a certain about of omniscience that comes with the IG, but you have to have the capacity to use it. It was clear from his battle with Strange that Warlock did not. Also, his ignorance of what LT is suggests the same.

Now - Thanos with the IG vs. Wanda might be a different story. MIGHT.

Originally posted by Xplosive
In other word, you cant prove SW goes beyond IG. Nothing proved SW to affected Eternity like you said so. IG is beyond SW.

Isn't there be an Apocalypse thread you should be on?

BTW - the IG doesn't work outside of its universe. Darkseid learned that the hard way. SW's power does, as all those dead universes learned to their chagrin.

SW > IG

Originally posted by demigawd
Now - Thanos with the IG vs. Wanda might be a different story. MIGHT.

And it would be. SW would go down hard.

Originally posted by demigawd
Isn't there be an Apocalypse thread you should be on?

No. I'll stick here.

Originally posted by Xplosive
And it would be. SW would go down hard.

Actually, now that I've thought about it, given that SW's power can function outside of the universe, she can just attack an IG wielder from in between universes and the IG would have no effect on her.

Originally posted by demigawd
No evidence to show that was literally the universe she was holding vs. a representative image. Besides, Wanda likewise altered the universe. Past and present simultaneously. And she didn't even have to get herself killed by Xorn to do it. So what?

Phoenix is told by the consciousness that she killed the universe and that it needs to be healed

Phoenix was just told she had disconnected 616 from the megasystem badly wounding it and making an orphan out of it through her actions and that in the task ahead the manipulation of all of those atoms isnt a piece of cake even for a White Phoenix

In the next panel out of nothing atoms slowly come together in her hand forming a galaxy looking structure which we're told on panel is the new orphan universe. Which the Alternative Universes bio says is 616.

As she stares at the structure she hears parts of conversations which we read about in New X-men. She then reaches into the structure telepathically and alters Cyclops response to Emma ensuring a different future from the one she just amputated.

Originally posted by demigawd
Given that Wanda knew Pietro was killed, despite being someplace else entirely would show that she's omniscient as well. Quickdraw, with power edge to Wanda.

Thats awful Demi. Dr S had told her there was fighting going on outside, so who's to say she wasnt on her way out to put a stop to it when she witnessed Magnetos actions? Inconclusive 😂

Originally posted by demigawd
Actually, now that I've thought about it, given that SW's power can function outside of the universe, she can just attack an IG wielder from in between universes and the IG would have no effect on her.

Only suggestion, doesnt mean anyhting.

Originally posted by demigawd
Actually, now that I've thought about it, given that SW's power can function outside of the universe, she can just attack an IG wielder from in between universes and the IG would have no effect on her.

Speculation. Youre still assuming the chaos wave was Wandas power when thats not stated conclusively.

Cover step 1 first Demi. 😉

Gotta go. I'll wrap this up 2morrow 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix is told by the consciousness that she killed the universe and that it needs to be healed

Phoenix was just told she had disconnected 616 from the megasystem badly wounding it and making an orphan out of it through her actions and that in the task ahead the manipulation of all of those atoms isnt a piece of cake even for a White Phoenix

In the next panel out of nothing atoms slowly come together in her hand forming a galaxy looking structure which we're told on panel is the new orphan universe. Which the Alternative Universes bio says is 616.

As she stares at the structure she hears parts of conversations which we read about in New X-men. She then reaches into the structure telepathically and alters Cyclops response to Emma ensuring a different future from the one she just amputated.

Thats awful Demi. Dr S had told her there was fighting going on outside, so who's to say she wasnt on her way out to put a stop to it when she witnessed Magnetos actions? Inconclusive 😂

What? None of that happened. It never said Phoenix destroyed the universe.

Also - Wanda pretty clearly was INDOORS, and as soon as Pietro was killed, her eyes lit up (while she was INDOORS) and THEN she busted out and went mad. Look at the images, man. You're the one with the scanner - show it to the public and we'll judge for ourselves.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Speculation. Youre still assuming the chaos wave was Wandas power when thats not stated conclusively.

Cover step 1 first Demi. 😉

Just because you say I didn't prove it (despite posting reasons and evidence over and over again) doesn't mean I haven't. I have. Read it again.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Gotta go. I'll wrap this up 2morrow 😉

You mean you'll dig yourself in an even deeper hole. 😄

Pity, I was expecting some epic reasoning. Instead, I get the same nonsense. 🙁

Originally posted by demigawd
What? None of that happened. It never said Phoenix destroyed the universe.

Also - Wanda pretty clearly was INDOORS, and as soon as Pietro was killed, her eyes lit up (while she was INDOORS) and THEN she busted out and went mad. Look at the images, man. You're the one with the scanner - show it to the public and we'll judge for ourselves.

Just because you say I didn't prove it (despite posting reasons and evidence over and over again) doesn't mean I haven't. I have. Read it again.

But you havent proven it at all. Dont you understand that to prove it it has to be stated or clearly shown to be generated by Wanda. It doesnt. Youve posted loads of reasons why you think youre right but none of them can be treated as fact. Understand that.

Im gone.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Only suggestion, doesnt mean anyhting.

It's taking advantage of a clear limitation of the Infinity Gauntlet.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
But you havent proven it at all. Dont you understand that to prove it it has to be stated or clearly shown to be generated by Wanda. It doesnt. Youve posted loads of reasons why you think youre right but none of them can be treated as fact. Understand that.

Im gone.

You said you were gone last time.

I can't believe that YOU, master of circumstantial evidence, would dare to call ME out for posting TONS of evidence showing that the chaos energy was indeed coming from Wanda. I showed five pieces of evidence showing it. The girl generates chaos energy. It's that simple.

You have bigger fish to fry than trying to disprove something that's pretty obvious, methinks. Like how all of Phoenix's feats are now under significant attack and you haven't mounted much of a defense.

Originally posted by demigawd
It's taking advantage of a clear limitation of the Infinity Gauntlet.

It's still speculation, but this thread says inside 616 Universe.

Originally posted by Xplosive
It's still speculation, but this thread says inside 616 Universe.

Mmm...very true.

ok, point withdrawn. I was just trying to make the fight even easier.

But the other points still stand.