Marka Ragnos

Originally posted by vpokdekjyafmidp
i bet if sadow and kressh worked together, they could kick ragnos's ass but they were idiots. but then again, ragnos had the military force. if kressh or sadow flat out killed him, they would get no support from the military, therefore leaving the empire prone to attack. this can be compared to the roman empire. with marius, who had the military support. his apprentice sulla was looking to overthrow him, yet if he flat our killed him, everyone would hate him and he would get no support. first he had to gain the support of the military. he then proceeded to battle marius, and eventually defeated him. proving that he had the greater military mind, therefore earning the support of the military. in my mind this "kressh and sadow didnt kill him because they were afraid of him" stuff doesnt really go down in terms of personal power.

What "military"?

Wow, stop talking out of your ass already. Argue from what you know, and stop flinging speculatory crap around with absolutely 0 proof.

just comparing two ancient empires. jeeze

except ones real, and ones not.

Originally posted by vpokdekjyafmidp
just comparing two ancient empires. jeeze

except ones real, and ones not.

There didn't seem to be one centralized military. Each sith lord had their own forces and slaves.

Yeah and Sadow controlled them all... So even if it was true it wouldn't make sense, because the military force would have loved Sadow and not Ragnos... Which makes it even stranger that he didn't rebell, Sadow could have had all the Massassi working for him and yet still he was to scared to attack Ragnos who he hated.

Imagine being afraid to use an army a freaking army against one person because you might die... So its possible that Ragnos > Sadow + huge army.

so basically ragnos was the emporer and sadow was the lead general?

No, Ragnos ruled and eveyone else kissed his feet.

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I'd also like to point out that venerable sith lords in league with Kressh once Sadow was dark lord were easily killed by a few Massasi. And Massasi suck.

Originally posted by zod360
I'd also like to point out that venerable sith lords in league with Kressh once Sadow was dark lord were easily killed by a few Massasi. And Massasi suck.

No, this is bullshit. The only Sith Lord killed in the raid on Ziost was Simus, and that was because he was surprised by Sadow and shot (And he doesn't have anything to block a blaster that he's never seen before).

Originally posted by zod360
I'd also like to point out that venerable sith lords in league with Kressh once Sadow was dark lord were easily killed by a few Massasi. And Massasi suck.

They were stabbed in the back when they least expected it... They didn't see it coming, they had no reason to expect betrayel...

And Janus Simus was a talking head in a jar, even if he knew blasters he wouldn't have been able to stop it.

so basically ragnos was the emporer and sadow was the lead general?

No they didn't have a lead general, Ragnos was the highest sole and supreme commander of the Sith empire, the rest was nothing comapred to him. However Sadow was respected by the Massassi and ever Ragnos his dead turned many Massassi against their masters.

Originally posted by zod360
I'd also like to point out that venerable sith lords in league with Kressh once Sadow was dark lord were easily killed by a few Massasi. And Massasi suck.

They were instantly stabbed in the back. Sadow has some control over the massassi.

And as far as sucking. Those same massassi went toe-to-toe with some Jedi, so as far as being ambushed by people who can fight with Jedi + being battle controled by Sadow meaning they suck, sure.

Originally posted by Illustrious
They were instantly stabbed in the back. Sadow has some control over the massassi.

And as far as sucking. Those same massassi went toe-to-toe with some Jedi, so as far as being ambushed by people who can fight with Jedi + being battle controled by Sadow meaning they suck, sure.

So basically they were not strong enough in the force to sense the attack.

Did Sadow control them or is that just a guess?

No thats not a guess, they obeyed Sadow his commands.

And why would they be trying to sense an attack or anything going on around them when they trusted them? The Jedi didn't see the clone attacks coming. Sidious didn't see the attack from Vader coming, Revan didn't see Malak his attack coming...

i highly doubt that marka ragnos couldve taken on an army of massassi AND naga sadow.

Why do you doubt that?

How long does it take Sadow to pull that Massasi stuff anyways? Is it instant? It would be ridiculous if it was.

Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
How long does it take Sadow to pull that Massasi stuff anyways? Is it instant? It would be ridiculous if it was.

He doesn't really control them, he just speaks to them and they are loyal to him very loyal.

Not like it matters if he did control them the effect would likely have been the same, seeing as he created literally millions of illusions that were as good as illusions can get, real in every sense of the word, they only required Sadow to keep them in tact.

The Massasi were still no better then your average warrior race. And it only took like three to kill some well respected sith lords. The fact that they were not able to sense it through the force kind of furthers my point. The sith generally had terrible control in the force. By control I mean things like sensing things through the force.

Originally posted by zod360
The Massasi were still no better then your average warrior race. And it only took like three to kill some well respected sith lords. The fact that they were not able to sense it through the force kind of furthers my point. The sith generally had terrible control in the force. By control I mean things like sensing things through the force.

did they?

Did the Jedi sense that the clones were going to attack them?
Did Revan sense that Malak was going to attack him?
Didi Sidious sense that Vader was going to attack him?

they were betrayed stabbed in the back by people they trusted, of course they didn't see it coming. They trusted those people they weren't reaching out to their minds to sense their emotions, they had no reason to expect betrayal.