Like what? What haven't I answered yet? I could probably make a huge post listing everything you haven't replied to yet, but of course i'm the one avoiding the questions refusing to give answer. Of course i'm the ignorant person here who doesn't know the truth and refuses to see logic, thats me not you... Of course now, I mean how could I ever think that the all wise Numan would ever be wrong.
Still for some reason I do, so find everything I didn't answer yet and I will, if you do the same.
How about this Numan, all you have effectively proven is that people in have replicated much weaker and ineffective feats that are of the origin, however not in the same league as what the Ancient Sith had.
Like i said, the most powerful techniques in Kotor originated from the Ancient Sith, if you listen to Kreia carefully that is what she says, although Nihilus is a wound in the force, the ability he uses is of the Ancient Sith. Now if the Ancient Sith possesed such powers, i fail to see how you can see them as your average Jedi. If you aren't sure of this, play Kotor 2 and make sure you trigger every response possible from Kreia, her technique is of the Ancient Sith.
The Ancient Sith were leagues above everyone, and their race possesed godlike powers, i don't see any future generations blowing up stars with the force, i dont see how you can even think to future Sith on par with the Ancient Sith. Let me explain a few things to you, the only Jedi/Sith that even remotely resembles the Ancient Sith are DE Sidious and POST JA, in other worlds, controlling black holes, creating instakills. That means it leaves 2 time periods where each the Jedi and the Sith are strongest...NJO - LOTF is where the Jedi are near "Godlike" the Ancient Sith to the end of Kun's time are where the Sith are actually Godlike.
You do not confirm with this, and you are indeed young, unless you can refute instead of providing illogical speculation i suggest you give up. You have not addressed half the points we have made. By simply attempting to use illogical reasoning and attempting to do A > B and then saying because A > B the Ancient Sith are not godlike.
Frankly the way you argue, you have addressed our points in a way you regard a distasteful toy, you have not listen to our reasoning, btw if you agree Sadow is leagues above almost every force user then where does that put Ragnos? Certainly you don't believe Revan can be even more powerful than Sadow, you will be using illogical reasoning and being a biased fanboy.
Your incompetence knows no bounds, you mean to deny the power of the worthy and promote the power of the weak, seriously Numan, you really should get off this forum, how can you even assume that Clones > Massassi, it takes 10 000 clones to gang up on one Jedi, whilst Massassi can kill Jedi by themselves, and as Fishy has said, you will not generally suspect someone you trust. Say this, you are a Jedi Master, your apprentice is someone you trust, the suddenly your apprentice stabs you in the back with a lightsaber, and you are dying, how can you "sense" that, honestly you neeed much more proof, provide quotes and logical evidence that proves your points.
You seriously need to listen to yuor own advice. You said the exact same thing before about me ignoring you, yet I rebutted the points you mentioned straight afterwards. And you ignored pretty much all of my points.
I was explaining that the ancient sith were not as "godlike" as you seem to think. Of course Sadow was but he was pretty much the only one. You get exceptional beings in all time periods. In KOTOR you get Revan, Traya, The Exile, Nihilus and Sion for example. The evidence I gave was the fact that sith lords in the same league (in terms of rank) as Kressh and Sadow were easily taken down by a few Massasi. I then proved that the Massasi basically sucked. One of my points was that Sylvar, a jedi knight was able to kill a few without even using a lightsaber. I have used much more evidence then this and if you re-read what I have already said you will see.
Except Ragnos was more powerful than Sadow, and Sadow is stronger than pretty much than everyone that succeeded his role of Dark Lord of the Sith.
Show me where you rebutted any of my points, show me how you did it, remember your points about the Massassi are pointless, you have not even proven that one group is stronger than another. Like i said, you haven't addressed it and anyone here can vouch for me, you seriously are too young to be here.
Why don't you follow your own advice Woot. You must be stupid if you actually believe what you are saying. And I have rebutted your points that you mentioned. I am showing that the ancient sith really were not that incredible, so Ragnos being the most powerful out of all of them (and there is not even prood that he is the MOST powerful) does not mean that he is THE most powerful force user ever. But you seem to have ignored everything I said. And Aleema was able to summon illusions that could affect the reality physically. You seem to have ignored my previous point about sith magic only increasing one's power with the force, and not control. And there is not even proof that the instant kills originated from the ancient sith.
That is where.
Originally posted by zod360
Why don't you follow your own advice Woot. You must be stupid if you actually believe what you are saying. And I have rebutted your points that you mentioned. I am showing that the ancient sith really were not that incredible, so Ragnos being the most powerful out of all of them (and there is not even prood that he is the MOST powerful) does not mean that he is THE most powerful force user ever. But you seem to have ignored everything I said. And Aleema was able to summon illusions that could affect the reality physically. You seem to have ignored my previous point about sith magic only increasing one's power with the force, and not control. And there is not even proof that the instant kills originated from the ancient sith.That is where.
1) Effectively starwars.com states he was the most powerful of his time, and yet Sadow ranks above everyone who succeeded him, so if Ragnos is more powerful than logically it puts him above the rest.
2) Like i rebutted that point, her illusions fail to even faze Exar Kun, her ability with it was far weaker than what Sadow produced.
3) Where is the evidence for Sith magic only increasing one's power with the force?
4) Yes there is, your faithful favourite time period effectively states that the instakill Kreia produced, was of the Ancient Sith of which there is no defense against, and by her saying that it meant during her time.
Effectively i was correct, you have provided us with your opinion and your speculation, honestly there is not one shred of evidence supporting your case, and if there was, kindly show it to us, whilst Illustrious and the rest have argued much more reasoned points with you.
Originally posted by zod360
And if you are wondering why I didn't put too much effort into proving them wrong, it is because they were so incredibly stupid that I didn't really see a point in doing so and also because I have done so many times before.
Sorry to break your wet dream, but you haven't, first you said because the Sith respected him, then you go off and attempt to discredit the them by saying ZOMG TEH MASSASSI KILLED THEM, BY BACKSTABBING THEM THEY MUST BE UBER WEAK.
There is not one person in this forum who agrees with you, and you blatant thinking that you are right, when your in the 1% and the rest of us is in the 99% is extremely funny.
Numan your ten years old... You shouldn't be reporting anybody... Because you are breaking the rules by just being here.
You seriously need to listen to yuor own advice. You said the exact same thing before about me ignoring you, yet I rebutted the points you mentioned straight afterwards. And you ignored pretty much all of my points.
And again make a list of the points I didn't adress and i'll adress them.
I was explaining that the ancient sith were not as "godlike" as you seem to think. Of course Sadow was but he was pretty much the only one.
Add to that Kressh who was his equal, and Simus and Ragnos who were both greater. So that would make four people above all others. Sadow surpasses everybody later in EU era, and from what we know he was weaker then Simus and he is definitly weaker then Ragnos... Kressh is equal to him. The four greatest of that era were greater then anybody of any other era. Even if the others would be a lot weaker they could still easily be as powerful as Kun, Sidious, Revan whatever.
You get exceptional beings in all time periods. In KOTOR you get Revan, Traya, The Exile, Nihilus and Sion for example. The evidence I gave was the fact that sith lords in the same league (in terms of rank) as Kressh and Sadow were easily taken down by a few Massasi.
They were stabbed in the back, and like I already said a dozen times. They had no reason to suspect the Massassi of going to attack them, the Massassi had served them for a very long time, and they were basically just standing nexto the Sith Lords, all they had to do was draw their swords and cut them up. The Sith Lords had plenty of other things to occupy their mind with just a second before they were cut up in pieces, like the PT Jedi, like Revan like Sidious. Unless of course you can prove that commanding a fleet doesn't require any kind of focus.
I then proved that the Massasi basically sucked. One of my points was that Sylvar, a jedi knight was able to kill a few without even using a lightsaber.
You just forgot to mention that this is a Cathar a cat like creature with terrible sharp fangs and claws and anger, and weaker Massassi then the one's Sadow used primitive beings compared to the older one's that cut up the Sith Lords, you also forget to mention that Sylvar wasn't ambused by them, wasn't cut in the back by them but instead she attacked them. Completely different situations, its like saying Zett Juska is better then Aayla Secura because he did manage to kill a few clone troopers, but she a very talented Jedi knight did not. Being stabbed in the back means jack shit about your own personal power.
I have used much more evidence then this and if you re-read what I have already said you will see.
No actually you haven't given a shred of evidence because every time I ask for quotes and the context or for scans you refuse to provide them. You state things and accept us to believe them, when you do not provide the actual quotes. So you haven't given us prove just your opinion which is flawed.
Now of course you won't adress these points in my post, you might adres the post in general, or just answer with things you already said but you won't prove anything, like you have failed to prove anything in the last few pages and any other debate you have entered. Numan if you trully want us to believe us, then deal with my entire post, point by point, by writing new stuff and not just stating the same thing again but actually destroying my points.
Originally posted by zod360It's not so much that your a fanboy of one particular thing, it's that whatever you defend or whatever you say, you say more as "opinion" than actual fact.
Please try and make sense. What the hell am I a fanboy of?
It's due to your apparent lack of substantial evidence and proof that makes you a fanboy.
Originally posted by zod360
By the way Woot, I have reported you for going off topic and using this thread to bash me. Either post constructively or don't post at all.
Uh, he didn't insult you. Don't be daft and start running off with reports when he makes the very true statement that you cannot use logic.
Originally posted by Illustrious
Uh, he didn't insult you. Don't be daft and start running off with reports when he makes the [b]very true statement that you cannot use logic. [/B]
I happen to find the term "fanboy" very offensive. Even if I didn't it is still an insult or do I need to give you the definition of the word.