I'm surprised he hasn't been banned... again. And he's just making assertions- there's no logos to his method.
"The Massassi are weak. The Sith Lords (Of which, btw, none were present in the clash at Ziost where prison guards were slaughtered and Simus, who just happened to be in the area) are weak. Clones are stronger than Massassi. Ancient Sith are weak. Therefore, ancient Sith are weak."
That's him in a nutshell. His opinion somehow becomes immutable proof of... his opinion.
Numan, do yourself a favor and stop trying to debate like a mature, rational thinking person. You fail miserably.
Originally posted by Wesker
I'm surprised he hasn't been banned... again. And he's just making assertions- there's no logos to his method."The Massassi are weak. The Sith Lords (Of which, btw, none were present in the clash at Ziost where prison guards were slaughtered and Simus, who just happened to be in the area) are weak. Clones are stronger than Massassi. Ancient Sith are weak. Therefore, ancient Sith are weak."
That's him in a nutshell. His opinion somehow becomes immutable proof of... his opinion.
Numan, do yourself a favor and stop trying to debate like a mature, rational thinking person. You fail miserably.
I am not talking about the clash at Ziost. The sith lords Horak-Mul and Dor-Gal-Ram were easily killed by their weaponless Massasi slaves. These Massasi were weaker then the Massasi that Sylvar (who was just a knight) killed without the use of her lightsaber. These sith lords were some of the most powerful there were. This shows that the ancient sith were not complete badasses and that as with any other race, there were a few exceptional beings.
Originally posted by zod360
I am not talking about the clash at Ziost. The sith lords Horak-Mul and Dor-Gal-Ram were easily killed by their weaponless Massasi slaves. These Massasi were weaker then the Massasi that Sylvar (who was just a knight) killed without the use of her lightsaber. These sith lords were some of the most powerful there were. This shows that the ancient sith were not complete badasses and that as with any other race, there were a few exceptional beings.
You still have to respond with my post, and if this is the case then show scans.
Check it out at SWcomics.com. My scanner is kind of broken and I don't know how to get it working so I can't provide them. And Wesker, Sidious was concentrating on his lightning and it was only like a millisecond after he decided to turn on the emporer that he lifted up Sidious and threw him into the shaft. The sith lords were peacefully in their ships watching their fleet, and the comics show that they had time to realize that the Massasi had turned on them and were even able to say a few things before they got attacked by the WEAPONLESS Massasi.
Originally posted by zod360
Check it out at SWcomics.com. My scanner is kind of broken and I don't know how to get it working so I can't provide them. And Wesker, Sidious was concentrating on his lightning and it was only like a millisecond after he decided to turn on the emporer that he lifted up Sidious and threw him into the shaft. The sith lords were peacefully in their ships watching their fleet, and the comics show that they had time to realize that the Massasi had turned on them and were even able to say a few things before they got attacked by the WEAPONLESS Massasi.
And you still haven't answered my post, which you promised you would do first thing today...
So i'm just going to say you can't. And I'm not going to do your research for you, check out SWcomics yourself read the comic and then give me a link to the comic...
Originally posted by Fishy
Numan your ten years old... You shouldn't be reporting anybody... Because you are breaking the rules by just being here.And again make a list of the points I didn't adress and i'll adress them.
Add to that Kressh who was his equal, and Simus and Ragnos who were both greater. So that would make four people above all others. Sadow surpasses everybody later in EU era, and from what we know he was weaker then Simus and he is definitly weaker then Ragnos... Kressh is equal to him. The four greatest of that era were greater then anybody of any other era. Even if the others would be a lot weaker they could still easily be as powerful as Kun, Sidious, Revan whatever.
They were stabbed in the back, and like I already said a dozen times. They had no reason to suspect the Massassi of going to attack them, the Massassi had served them for a very long time, and they were basically just standing nexto the Sith Lords, all they had to do was draw their swords and cut them up. The Sith Lords had plenty of other things to occupy their mind with just a second before they were cut up in pieces, like the PT Jedi, like Revan like Sidious. Unless of course you can prove that commanding a fleet doesn't require any kind of focus.
You just forgot to mention that this is a Cathar a cat like creature with terrible sharp fangs and claws and anger, and weaker Massassi then the one's Sadow used primitive beings compared to the older one's that cut up the Sith Lords, you also forget to mention that Sylvar wasn't ambused by them, wasn't cut in the back by them but instead she attacked them. Completely different situations, its like saying Zett Juska is better then Aayla Secura because he did manage to kill a few clone troopers, but she a very talented Jedi knight did not. Being stabbed in the back means jack shit about your own personal power.
No actually you haven't given a shred of evidence because every time I ask for quotes and the context or for scans you refuse to provide them. You state things and accept us to believe them, when you do not provide the actual quotes. So you haven't given us prove just your opinion which is flawed.
Now of course you won't adress these points in my post, you might adres the post in general, or just answer with things you already said but you won't prove anything, like you have failed to prove anything in the last few pages and any other debate you have entered. Numan if you trully want us to believe us, then deal with my entire post, point by point, by writing new stuff and not just stating the same thing again but actually destroying my points.
Are you talking about this one?
"Add to that Kressh who was his equal, and Simus and Ragnos who were both greater. So that would make four people above all others. Sadow surpasses everybody later in EU era, and from what we know he was weaker then Simus and he is definitly weaker then Ragnos... Kressh is equal to him. The four greatest of that era were greater then anybody of any other era. Even if the others would be a lot weaker they could still easily be as powerful as Kun, Sidious, Revan whatever."
That is soo not true. Nihilus, Revan, Sion and Traya would be able to match these guys.
Yeah that one...
Edit: Wow you deal with one point, one entire point and just ingore the rest. Not to mention that you are wrong too... Nihilus is a wound in the force he eats the force he could eat anybody.
Revan does not stand a chance in hell against Sadow, neither does Sion and neither does Kreia. Kreia admits that she and all others in her era are nothing compared to people of that previous Era, and Kreia could know better then anybody else. If she says Marka Ragnos, Sadow and Kressh were far more powerful then her and all others in the era then she is right.
Do you really think Revan could have withstood Sadow his amulet? Or would have stood up to that huge ass Sith Sword, or could even come close to having the control over the force Sadow had when he destroyed a freaking STAR. Or created illusions that were real in every sense of the word except for the fact that Sadow needed to meditate to keep them around, they could kill they could destroy they could mutilate... They were so real they could even fool powerful Jedi and kill them in combat. No way in hell Revan has that power, or Sion or Kreia for that matter.
"They were stabbed in the back, and like I already said a dozen times. They had no reason to suspect the Massassi of going to attack them, the Massassi had served them for a very long time, and they were basically just standing nexto the Sith Lords, all they had to do was draw their swords and cut them up. The Sith Lords had plenty of other things to occupy their mind with just a second before they were cut up in pieces, like the PT Jedi, like Revan like Sidious. Unless of course you can prove that commanding a fleet doesn't require any kind of focus."
Sidious was concentrating on his lightning and it was only like a millisecond after he decided to turn on the emporer that he lifted up Sidious and threw him into the shaft. Revan was getting ready to duel Bastilla and the other jedi. The sith lords were peacefully in their ships watching their fleet, and the comics show that they had time to realize that the Massasi had turned on them and were even able to say a few things before they got attacked by the WEAPONLESS Massasi.
Sidious was concentrating on his lightning and it was only like a millisecond after he decided to turn on the emporer that he lifted up Sidious and threw him into the shaft. Revan was getting ready to duel Bastilla and the other jedi. The sith lords were peacefully in their ships watching their fleet, and the comics show that they had time to realize that the Massasi had turned on them and were even able to say a few things before they got attacked by the WEAPONLESS Massasi.
Numan start using the damned edit button already... 20 points isn't a good thing...
The Massassi cut the Sith Lords in their backs, there was perhaps one that had the time to react so what, have you seen how many Jedi had the time to react against the clones but didn't manage to do a damned thing? From what I remember only one sith Lord saw it coming. If you think otherwise show scans.
The Massassi were also of immense physical strength. And had claws and who says they didn't have weapons? Show pictures of the comic to prove it. Besides managing an entire war is hard work, you have to look and concentrate on a lot of things, it wasn't like they were just sitting in their ship watching some boring movie or something they were bussy fighting a war.
No, you don't reply because you have no prove and your arguments are full of shit. If you would just use one post, you could have said everything you want without anybody replying to it before your ready... Stop making excuses, and write one big reply replying to every point I made. Point by point. Its not hard you know, everybody else here manages to do it. Of course everybody else here is older then 13 and has some common knowledge.
"You just forgot to mention that this is a Cathar a cat like creature with terrible sharp fangs and claws and anger, and weaker Massassi then the one's Sadow used primitive beings compared to the older one's that cut up the Sith Lords, you also forget to mention that Sylvar wasn't ambused by them, wasn't cut in the back by them but instead she attacked them. Completely different situations, its like saying Zett Juska is better then Aayla Secura because he did manage to kill a few clone troopers, but she a very talented Jedi knight did not. Being stabbed in the back means jack shit about your own personal power."
Wow. They have sharp claws. Any decent duelist would have easily been able to deal with a weaponless oponent like Sylvar. And I would say that not having a weapon at your disposal is a bigger disadvantage then being slightly caught offguard by a few weaponless opponents. Not to mention the fact that these Massasi were also weaker then the ones Sylvar pwned.
Wow. They have sharp claws. Any decent duelist would have easily been able to deal with a weaponless oponent like Sylvar. And I would say that not having a weapon at your disposal is a bigger disadvantage then being slightly caught offguard by a few weaponless opponents. Not to mention the fact that these Massasi were also weaker then the ones Sylvar pwned.
No actually I wouldn't say that... Sylvar had the initiative, she had a body build for fighting, she had sharp claws and anger, besides she did have her lightsaber, the fact that she didn't use it just shows that she was a great fighter without it, otherwise she wuold have used it.
Also show the Massassi didn't have any weapons, and even if they didn't they were still strong and they still had sharp claws, they could have just jumped on the sith Lords and cut them down by jumping at him with a dozen man at the same time... Being ambushed no matter by who always puts you at a huge disadvantage...
Originally posted by Fishy
Numan start using the damned edit button already... 20 points isn't a good thing...The Massassi cut the Sith Lords in their backs, there was perhaps one that had the time to react so what, have you seen how many Jedi had the time to react against the clones but didn't manage to do a damned thing? From what I remember only one sith Lord saw it coming. If you think otherwise show scans.
The Massassi were also of immense physical strength. And had claws and who says they didn't have weapons? Show pictures of the comic to prove it. Besides managing an entire war is hard work, you have to look and concentrate on a lot of things, it wasn't like they were just sitting in their ship watching some boring movie or something they were bussy fighting a war.
I have already explained how they were not completely caught by surprise and seeing as the fact that you do not even have the comics, your word doesn't mean shit. Before you continue to argue incorrectly, why don't you visit SWCOMICS.COM. The sith lords were not even piloting the ship. They were just sitting back relaxed and peacefully to watch how the battle would play out. They clearly had time to react and even had time to say a few things. And then you see these Massasi SLAVES easily grab hold of one of one of these sith of "IMMENSE PHYSICAL STRENGTH".