Originally posted by GalacticStormShow me him in judging mode getting defeated. You're clearly bitter about this.
What do i need to prove? It happened. He failed, he got punished, leaving a depowered Spectre. A Spectre acting within his jurisdiction can be defeated as conclusively depicted on panel. 😉
All of his defeats you've mentioned thus far include God getting involved for his downfall.
Originally posted by JuntaiAnd yes, if God wants someone down, they're down, that's it.
Anything less would mean God is fallible, which is not an option.
But then Spectre doesnt equate to God so im not following your point. If Spectre did equate to God then given his performance in Crisis on Infinite Earths and his recent actions in Day Of Vengeance then DC's God is indeed fallible, which i agree isnt an option. So guess what that means? 😄
Originally posted by GalacticStormI already said he wasn't God, but, he's certainly the highest being. Or as I worded it before 'the next best thing'.
But then Spectre doesnt equate to God so im not following your point. If Spectre did equate to God then given his performance in Crisis on Infinite Earths and his recent actions in Day Of Vengeance then DC's God is indeed fallible, which i agree isnt an option. So guess what that means? 😄
Originally posted by Juntai
Show me him in judging mode getting defeated. You're clearly bitter about this.All of his defeats you've mentioned thus far include God getting involved for his downfall.
Dont get mad, i assure you im not bitter about anything. 😂
Spectre when acting within his jurisdiction can and has been defeated. In fact Spectre required additional aid and still got laid out and that was after having only depowered Anti-Monitor, not stopping him. 😛
Ok. Boring now.
Antimonitor would be negated in the MU.
End of the story.
Even if LT has not shown enough to appease some readers, eveidently, almost all cosmic characters in the MU agree he has the power to keep the kids under control. So, they either sense it, or he has done it in the past. So, he is the cheese.
Originally posted by Juntai
I already said he wasn't God, but, he's certainly the highest being. Or as I worded it before 'the next best thing'.
There have been statements referring to Lucifer and Michael as such, which makes sense given them being created as the successors of God. On top of that his bios dont refer to him as the most powerful being in the universe, but as one of them. He's been defeated when acting within jurisdiction and he's been taken down by forces other than God himself when acting up. 😄
Jun if only you could see me now. I cant stop laughing i know this is winding you up. I cant help it. 😂
Originally posted by GalacticStormNow it's obvious you're bitter.
Dont get mad, i assure you im not bitter about anything. 😂Spectre when acting within his jurisdiction can and has been defeated. In fact Spectre required additional aid and still got laid out and that was after having only depowered Anti-Monitor, not stopping him. 😛
I've went through this in this thread already.
Spectre won the fight with antimonitor[Who was powered up by infinite universes minus 5 that were left and the heros he had captured at the dawn of time], depowered him, and recreated the multiverse into the one consistant universe and banished him back to the anti-matter universe where he died, all at the same time.
Where did he lose when judging?
You've yet to prove him losing in anything but the times God had to get invovled.
You're about as backed in a corner in this aruement, just as I would be trying to ague Pheonix against you.
It's pretty much that simple.
Spectre can be deafeated possibly it just hasn't happened yet without God getting involved. He clearly gets harmed by characters with sufficient power though. That's proof. He's the highest physical being in the universe and everyone in the comics acknowledges it.
Originally posted by Juntai
Now it's obvious you're bitter.
Must have been when I made poked fun about Superman beating Pheonix, given you were trying to discredit me in some odd fashion over there as well.
You've seriously got me so wrong. 😂
Why am i bitter all of a sudden? Cos i disagree with your interpretation of the Spectre? 😉
Originally posted by Juntai
I've went through this in this thread already.
Spectre won the fight with antimonitor[Who was powered up by infinite universes minus 5 that were left and the heros he had captured at the dawn of time], depowered him, and recreated the multiverse into the one consistant universe and banished him back to the anti-matter universe where he died, all at the same time.Where did he lose when judging?
You've yet to prove him losing in anything but the times God had to get invovled.
While acting within his jurisdiction, whilst acting according to his mission, Spectre failed to defeat Anti Monitor. He took the fight out of him and Anti Monitor fled (or was sent?) back to his own realm. While Anti Monitor later came back for a second run, Spectre was in a coma 😖hifty:
God depowered him for his failure and put him on a new mission given his failure in Crisis:
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/8212481293.jpg&s=x10
Spectre failed. For all his power Anti Monitor was up and running again next issue. As a result he got demoted. Spectre acting in accordance to his mission can and has been defeated/thwarted. ✅
Originally posted by Juntai
You're about as backed in a corner in this aruement, just as I would be trying to ague Pheonix against you.
It's pretty much that simple.
Hmmm. 😉
Originally posted by Juntai
He's the highest physical being in the universe and everyone in the comics acknowledges it.
Really? Everyone? 😖hifty:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You've seriously got me so wrong. 😂Why am i bitter all of a sudden? Cos i disagree with your interpretation of the Spectre? 😉
While acting within his jurisdiction, whilst acting according to his mission, Spectre failed to defeat Anti Monitor. He took the fight out of him and Anti Monitor fled (or was sent?) back to his own realm. While Anti Monitor later came back for a second run, Spectre was in a coma 😖hifty:
God depowered him for his failure and put him on a new mission given his failure in Crisis:
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/8212481293.jpg&s=x10
Spectre failed. For all his power Anti Monitor was up and running again next issue. As a result he got demoted. Spectre acting in accordance to his mission can and has been defeated/thwarted. ✅
did it say somewhere that god backed him or god directly gave spectre the task of destroying or stopping him? been a while since i read it, but i don't recall god speaking in that series . . . 😕
Originally posted by GalacticStormAnti-Monitor didn't defeat him though. Who was banished, who recreated the multiverse, and who got depowered by the other, and who would never see/harm the matter universe again?
You've seriously got me so wrong. 😂Why am i bitter all of a sudden? Cos i disagree with your interpretation of the Spectre? 😉
While acting within his jurisdiction, whilst acting according to his mission, Spectre failed to defeat Anti Monitor. He took the fight out of him and Anti Monitor fled (or was sent?) back to his own realm. While Anti Monitor later came back for a second run, Spectre was in a coma 😖hifty:
God depowered him for his failure and put him on a new mission given his failure in Crisis:
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/8212481293.jpg&s=x10
Spectre failed. For all his power Anti Monitor was up and running again next issue. As a result he got demoted. Spectre acting in accordance to his mission can and has been defeated/thwarted. ✅
If Spectre's purpose was defeat The Anti-Monitor, he would have done it. He falls unconscious yes[after accomplishing multiversal reformation and the defeat of one of comics strongest enemy characters ever], but Phantom Stranger, a character nearly omnipotent himself, said "The power we need to save the universe is being denied to us", hinting by otherwordly power keeping him down. A couple pages later, a bunch of people gather around Spectre trying to wake him and mention Spectre himself willing against it. "He resists us, his power is greater than ours!" Spectre had fullfilled his role.
He has failed, just as he failed to prevent the crisis' but that's human error. It was within his power to do everything neccisary. And he got punished by God for it.
Either way, that's still not current Spectre.
He was depowered, and then brought back to full power in volume 3, then gained even more in volume 4.
Originally posted by leonidas
did it say somewhere that god backed him or god directly gave spectre the task of destroying or stopping him? been a while since i read it, but i don't recall god speaking in that series . . . 😕
I'll re-read that issue tonight. I really hope youre right Leo, cos that would change everything!! 😈 😂
Originally posted by GalacticStormThat's a vertigo title, and not canon. And it says Lucifer is the most powerful angel, Spectre is the form of an angel, but the essence of Gods wrath.
Hmmm. 😉Really? Everyone? 😖hifty:
