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Council#13 The Omega Male

Originally posted by Darth Vious
But Grievous was able to dodge Force blasts in CW (Mace's was a lucky shot, where Grievous didn't really have anywhere to dodge to 😉

Apparently Dooku was very accurate with his Force Pushes, or faster.

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Originally posted by Sin Harvest
No he pushed them aside and then chuncked them together with ease. Yoda had to dodge all but one of the Senate Pods Palpatine was throwing at him.

Who said he had to. He stopped one, he could have stopped any of them if he had chosen to, but at that point in the fight, that was not his strategy, as he was clearly still trying to get to Palpatine with his lightsaber.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
And Geonosis backs me up because there was about as many Battle Droids there as in CW where Mace whipped out all of them by himself without a lightsaber.

As I said before: If Anakin and Obi-Wan can grow and improve between AotC and RotS, why can Mace and Yoda also not improve? Answer the question.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
Now tell me why Yoda and Mace needed a droid army? Why does Mace even need a lightsaber when he's whipping out Super Battle Droids with his hands only?

He clearly doesn't need a lightsaber to do so, but it makes it easier, and people do tend to use tools that make their tasks easier... What are you trying to prove?

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
Not only does Yoda manage to push two Landers into one another but also he manages to lift dozens, maybe hundreds, of Destroyer Droids and even pushes an AAT back into a Lander and has another one crash into it.

He does indeed. There's nothing to suggest in RotS that he couldn't still do that, the plot simply did not require it of him.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
And yet Yoda dodge and avoided all but one Senate Pod.

As I said above, that's because at that point in the fight, he was trying to get to Palpatine with his lightsaber, not best him in a Force contest.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
Not only that but Yoda and Mace Force Pushed hundreds of Battle Droids back and yet he didn't do any of these things when him and Obi-Wan went attacking the Jedi Temple.

I don't know, I didn't write the scene. Probably because someone swinging a lightsaber about is more exciting than watching someone use the Force to effortlessly clear a path through the clone troopers.

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Originally posted by Council#13
Apparently Dooku was very accurate with his Force Pushes, or faster.

Possibly. I definitely think that in a full out blade on blade duel, Dooku would have a hard time defeating Grievous, if he was even capable of doing so, and as I mentioned above, Dooku would most likely not use the Force, because it would appeal to his aristocratic vanity and arrogance to be able to best Grievous' four lightsabers as it would be a challenge to his own skills, and ultimately prove his superiority over Grievous (Who Dooku was actually repulsed by, according to the RotS novelizaton)

Sin Harvest Sonic Speed

As I said before: If Anakin and Obi-Wan can grow and improve between AotC and RotS, why can Mace and Yoda also not improve? Answer the question.

Because Yoda who is 800+ doesn't have much to learn or to improve on. Same for Mace. Obi-Wan and Anakin on the other hand still had much to learn and much to improve on.

He clearly doesn't need a lightsaber to do so, but it makes it easier, and people do tend to use tools that make their tasks easier... What are you trying to prove?

So why is it that if the clones didn't show up on Geonosis that all the Jedi would have been killed? Mace is called OVERPOWERED in the Clone Wars cartoon series.

I don't know, I didn't write the scene. Probably because someone swinging a lightsaber about is more exciting than watching someone use the Force to effortlessly clear a path through the clone troopers.

Because Yoda cannot do that. The events that happened in CW are canon but not the way in which they happened.

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Originally posted by Sin Harvest
[b]Because Yoda who is 800+ doesn't have much to learn or to improve on. Same for Mace. Obi-Wan and Anakin on the other hand still had much to learn and much to improve on.

Bullshit. There is always more to learn. Only a fool thinks they know everything.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
So why is it that if the clones didn't show up on Geonosis that all the Jedi would have been killed?

Well, there's good old fashioned plot necessity. And, maybe Mace had not developed his 'crowd sweeping' skills yet...

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
Mace is called OVERPOWERED in the Clone Wars cartoon series.

By who? People who refuse to accept CW as canon? The CW does not exagerate anyone's abilities, as said before, it is the perfect medium for showing a Jedi's true capabilities as moving live actors in such a manner would look stupid.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest

Because Yoda cannot do that.

How do you know Yoda cannot do that?

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
The events that happened in CW are canon but not the way in which they happened.

For the second (or is it third) time, that is utter bullshit! If the events of CW are canon, then so are the feats that made the events happen. If the events of CW happened (but not as depicted in CW) how did those events happen?? The fact is the feats made the events happen, and the events are canon, so the feats are also canon.

Council#13 The Omega Male

Originally posted by Darth Vious
Possibly. I definitely think that in a full out blade on blade duel, Dooku would have a hard time defeating Grievous, if he was even capable of doing so, and as I mentioned above, Dooku would most likely not use the Force, because it would appeal to his aristocratic vanity and arrogance to be able to best Grievous' four lightsabers as it would be a challenge to his own skills, and ultimately prove his superiority over Grievous (Who Dooku was actually repulsed by, according to the RotS novelizaton)

Actually, that was LOE, which, according to you, isn't considered as Canon as the Clone Wars.

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Originally posted by Council#13
Actually, that was LOE, which, according to you, isn't considered as Canon as the Clone Wars.

Sorry, I thought you were just refering to Dooku's skill in general, not a specific example.
[Edited to add]
If you were refering to Dooku's distaste for Grievous, that was mentioned in the novelization of RotS.

Council#13 The Omega Male

Oh really? My bad. He also mentioned it in LOE.

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Originally posted by Council#13
Oh really? My bad. He also mentioned it in LOE.

Yup. I haven't read the entire novel, literally just flicked through the pages in a book store, so a few bits sank in here and there.
(Haven't even touched LOE in a bookstore)

Council#13 The Omega Male

Oh. Like the "Death of Count Dooku" chapter?

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Originally posted by Council#13
Oh. Like the "Death of Count Dooku" chapter?

I couldn't tell you the titles. As I said, I literally fanned through the pages. I have a semi-photographic memory, and a few of them were open long enough to scan them, others just flipped past. A few things sank in, most of it didn't 😄

Council#13 The Omega Male

....I see 😐

Legion_of_Maul Cool Joe.

so basicly you ignored the whole thing?

Sin Harvest Sonic Speed

Originally posted by Darth Vious
Bullshit. There is always more to learn. Only a fool thinks they know everything.
Well, there's good old fashioned plot necessity. And, maybe Mace had not developed his 'crowd sweeping' skills yet...
By who? People who refuse to accept CW as canon? The CW does not exagerate anyone's abilities, as said before, it is the perfect medium for showing a Jedi's true capabilities as moving live actors in such a manner would look stupid.
How do you know Yoda cannot do that?
For the second (or is it third) time, that is utter bullshit! If the events of CW are canon, then so are the feats that made the events happen. If the events of CW happened (but not as depicted in CW) how did those events happen?? The fact is the feats made the events happen, and the events are canon, so the feats are also canon.

So you are saying that someone who has been training 800 years would somehow get this grand energy boast in a couple of years? I doubt that.

And why is it Yoda and Obi-Wan had to use their lightsabers to go through the Clone Troopers by dodging and avoiding blaster bolts when Yoda managed to lift hundreds of Destroyer Droids?

Fact is you consider Clone Wars micro-series to be canon and yet I believe Labyrinth of Evil is canon for 2 reasons.

1.) It is called the direct prequel to the movie
2.) The writer had direct assess to the movie's script

kamikz A.I.M Mercenary

Yeah, and all this "Grievous moves so fast in the cartoons and so slow in ROTS", well, everyone in the cartoons moves like they had force speed on all the time. If you are to compare Mace Windu fighting on Dantooine and then vs Palpatine you will se such huge difference it is sick. Was Mace wounded too?

Sin Harvest Sonic Speed

Originally posted by kamikz
Yeah, and all this "Grievous moves so fast in the cartoons and so slow in ROTS", well, everyone in the cartoons moves like they had force speed on all the time. If you are to compare Mace Windu fighting on Dantooine and then vs Palpatine you will se such huge difference it is sick. Was Mace wounded too?

I guess he was. I also guess Ki-Adi must have been wounded because in ROTS he was killed by a few Clone Troopers but if the Clone Wars micro-series shows the Jedi at what they should be like then Ki-Adi could have easily killed all of them without any problem.

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Originally posted by Legion_of_Maul
so basicly you ignored the whole thing?

?
I never bought the book to read, I just picked it up in the store and flipped the pages.

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Originally posted by Sin Harvest
So you are saying that someone who has been training 800 years would somehow get this grand energy boast in a couple of years? I doubt that.

Who said it was such a great 'boost'? Did you see Yoda doing anything in TMP? Did he do much in AotC? Just because the plot did not put him in situations to use those abilities, it doesn't mean he didn't have them.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
Fact is you consider Clone Wars micro-series to be canon and yet I believe Labyrinth of Evil is canon for 2 reasons.
1.) It is called the direct prequel to the movie
2.) The writer had direct assess to the movie's script

I'm sorry, but in the Dooku thread, it has been established that the only SW books that are canon are the novelizations. EU novels are not canon, so they are little more than published fan fiction.
Also, even if LOE was a novelization (which it isn't) CW would still outrank it as canon for being a movie rather than a book 🙂

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Originally posted by kamikz
Yeah, and all this "Grievous moves so fast in the cartoons and so slow in ROTS", well, everyone in the cartoons moves like they had force speed on all the time. If you are to compare Mace Windu fighting on Dantooine and then vs Palpatine you will se such huge difference it is sick. Was Mace wounded too?

As I said above with regards to Yoda. Mace had no need to fight as fast in RotS as he did in CW, hence why he was not moving so fast. Just because he didn't move that fast, it didn't mean that he couldn't if he wanted to. Grievous, on the other hand, was clearly damaged, which explains why he was neither standing as tall as he had nor moving as fast.

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Originally posted by Sin Harvest
I guess he was. I also guess Ki-Adi must have been wounded because in ROTS he was killed by a few Clone Troopers but if the Clone Wars micro-series shows the Jedi at what they should be like then Ki-Adi could have easily killed all of them without any problem.

Don't be facetious.
In TPM, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were faced with two droidekas, and Qui-Gon said "It's a standoff" (meaning neither side could win) Ki-Adi was shot at by half a dozen clone troopers, which is way more firepower than two droidekas, so it's no wonder he was overcome by them. Also, there were only two Jedi to actually be able to defend himself against the clone troopers (even if it was just for a few seconds) when they opened fire: Ki-Adi and Zett Jukassa (Yoda killed them before they could fire on him)