RotJ Luke vs Count Dooku.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
I'm sorry did you even see ESB and ROTJ? Vader doesn't move as slow as everyone makes him out to believe and during the Jedi Purge Vader killed many more Jedi then Dooku. Vader was a master of Form V and far greater in the Force then Dooku.

Vader engaged 3-5 Jedi at once and was WTF pwning them. The only reason he lost was because one of them managed to destroy his lightsaber.

Vader is greater then Dooku in all aspects.

When did he fight 3-5 Jedi? In one of those dumbass novels? Vader was human when he killed the Jedi in the temple. Vader uses choke. Dooku can use lightning, choke, grasp, and was seen in AOTC deflecting the lightning Yoda shot back.

In the Purge comic,and Vader has everything Dooku has except Lightning,but ANYONE can deflect that with a saber.

Originally posted by Lord Tyranus
When did he fight 3-5 Jedi? In one of those dumbass novels? Vader was human when he killed the Jedi in the temple. Vader uses choke. Dooku can use lightning, choke, grasp, and was seen in AOTC deflecting the lightning Yoda shot back.

Just look how slow Luke and Vader are actually fighting in Empire Strikes Back.

Vader has all that but lighting and he doesn't need lighting. And all the Jedi were not killed in Revenge of the Sith. Vader can deflect lighting with his lightsaber.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
Just look how slow Luke and Vader are actually fighting in Empire Strikes Back.

Vader has all that but lighting and he doesn't need lighting. And all the Jedi were not killed in Revenge of the Sith. Vader can deflect lighting with his lightsaber.

Originally posted by DE Luke
In the Purge comic,and Vader has everything Dooku has except Lightning,but ANYONE can deflect that with a saber.

Okay then forget lightning. Dooku is still more than a challenge for Vader. I like Vader but Dooku has grace and agility. Vader has more power but less experience.

Less experience? They are close, to say the least, Vader very well have more, going on all the important missions for the Emperor and defeating the remaining Jedi and all. Vader has speed, and practices a form that relies off strength (something that overcomes Makashi quite effectively), so he doesn't show much agility, but he has it. In RODV a Jedi comments on how he has learned to move with the suit and had a new agility. The only time Vader was ever really clunky was immediately after he got the suit.

Anyway, this is about Luke, not Vader. Luke has much more speed than Dooku, much more agility, and could beat Vader in a saber fight. A victory against Dooku would be easier for Luke than a victory against Vader, especially when you consider their lightsaber fighting styles.

The title under your name suits you. 30 some years of actual experience compared to 80? That is like saying a rookie fencer would own a master fencer...

Anakin owned dooku, so good example. And Vader's also got agility

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I'm a Vader/Skywalker fanboy

Really?

This is what we call the last desperate attempt of one whose arguments collapse

Originally posted by Lightsnake
This is what we call the last desperate attempt of one whose arguments collapse

"We". All the other losers who waste time reading the novels and brushing up their huttesse for the prom? ROTJ Luke sucks. Dooku tools him.

Good logic.

Originally posted by Lord Tyranus
"We". All the other losers who waste time reading the novels and brushing up their huttesse for the prom? ROTJ Luke sucks. Dooku tools him.

Man you are a genius. I mean come on; reading a book! Who in their right mind would do that?

Face it your logic about exprience doesn't help considering Anakin owned Dooku.

This fight is not about Anakin or Vader. It is about Luke, more specifically ROTJ Luke. And at this point he has had very little training and more importantly no experience in lightsaber duelling. Im sorry, except for the time he fought Vader and promptly got his hand removed. Dooku however has had 80 years of training in both sides of the force, is a master of Makashi, THE DUELLING STYLE, and can go toe to toe with the likes of Yoda. Dooku has shown far more impressive uses of the force including pulling the roof down on Yoda and ripping a steel balcony out of its place onto Kenobi. He has also been shown to use force lightning as well as deflect it with his hands. When Luke encountered force lightning he was on the ground screaming in pain.

To Lukes credit he did manage to overwhelm Vader. But this is because he was angry and let his rage take over. What rage would he have against Dooku? None because they have never met. So Luke being able to overwhelm the Count with the darkside will not happen. Meaning all Luke can do is wildly swing his lightsaber and use very basic force powers. Dooku will have very little trouble winning. He will probably win this faster than he did against Kenobi.

And actually Luke has plenty of experience with the saber, with about three duels under his belt pre-ROTJ. And Luke was trained by the likes of Yoda. And Luke was blasted by Palpatine, and managed to resist for an instant...the guy who makes Dooku look like an ant? And Luke won't be throwing his saber away either.

Oh, and Dooku's an arrogant idiot who tends to tell EVERY LAST OPPONENT he faces to give into anger. Give me a break, Ox...Luke beat Dooku's far better

Originally posted by Rampant ox
This fight is not about Anakin or Vader. It is about Luke, more specifically ROTJ Luke. And at this point he has had very little training and more importantly no experience in lightsaber duelling. Im sorry, except for the time he fought Vader and promptly got his hand removed. Dooku however has had 80 years of training in both sides of the force, is a master of Makashi, THE DUELLING STYLE, and can go toe to toe with the likes of Yoda. Dooku has shown far more impressive uses of the force including pulling the roof down on Yoda and ripping a steel balcony out of its place onto Kenobi. He has also been shown to use force lightning as well as deflect it with his hands. When Luke encountered force lightning he was on the ground screaming in pain.

To Lukes credit he did manage to overwhelm Vader. But this is because he was angry and let his rage take over. What rage would he have against Dooku? None because they have never met. So Luke being able to overwhelm the Count with the darkside will not happen. Meaning all Luke can do is wildly swing his lightsaber and use very basic force powers. Dooku will have very little trouble winning. He will probably win this faster than he did against Kenobi.

Get over it. Luke would defeat Dooku. Dooku is a retard that likes to taunt his opponents and thus Luke would do what Anakin did...kill him.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And actually Luke has plenty of experience with the saber, with about three duels under his belt pre-ROTJ. And Luke was trained by the likes of Yoda. And Luke was blasted by Palpatine, and managed to resist for an instant...the guy who makes Dooku look like an ant? And Luke won't be throwing his saber away either.

Oh, and Dooku's an arrogant idiot who tends to tell EVERY LAST OPPONENT he faces to give into anger. Give me a break, Ox...Luke beat Dooku's far better

You forget that Dooku was also trained under Yoda. Now that I think of it he was also trained under Sids, the same Sids who had Luke on the floor screaming for his daddy.

You say that Luke had 3 duels under his belt by ROTJ!! HAHAHAHAHA LMAO!! Dooku has had probably hundreds of duels, with opponents far stronger Vader. Face it, Luke is nothing compared to Dookus skill.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
You forget that Dooku was also trained under Yoda. Now that I think of it he was also trained under Sids, the same Sids who had Luke on the floor screaming for his daddy.

You say that Luke had 3 duels under his belt by ROTJ!! HAHAHAHAHA LMAO!! Dooku has had probably hundreds of duels, with opponents far stronger Vader. Face it, Luke is nothing compared to Dookus skill.

All the Jedi were trained by Yoda as Younglings. Yoda trained Luke not to become a Padawan but to become a Jedi Knight. Luke was also trained by Obi-Wan and had Holocons to help him out.

And if Dooku faced opponents far stronger then Vader then Dooku wouldn't be alive. Vader is 80% as strong as Palpatine and Dooku isn't half of that.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
All the Jedi were trained by Yoda as Younglings. Yoda trained Luke not to become a Padawan but to become a Jedi Knight. Luke was also trained by Obi-Wan and had Holocons to help him out.

And if Dooku faced opponents far stronger then Vader then Dooku wouldn't be alive. Vader is 80% as strong as Palpatine and Dooku isn't half of that.

Yes Luke trained under Yoda. But not for very long. Certainly not for enough time to match Dooku. And his training with Kenobi is useless. He managed to deflect two blaster shots with Kenobis help. This is not going to help him against Dooku unless the Count starts shooting him , which I highly doubt.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Yes Luke trained under Yoda. But not for very long. Certainly not for enough time to match Dooku. And his training with Kenobi is useless. He managed to deflect two blaster shots with Kenobis help. This is not going to help him against Dooku unless the Count starts shooting him , which I highly doubt.

With Kenobi's help he managed to destroy the Death Star. With Kenobi's help he went to find Master Yoda. And Yoda said Luke was ready to become a Jedi Knight.

All he had to do was defeat Vader which he did. Not only defeat Vader but force him on the defense the entire fight. Luke would defeat Dooku. You saw he can't fight so I suggest you go watch Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
With Kenobi's help he managed to destroy the Death Star. With Kenobi's help he went to find Master Yoda. And Yoda said Luke was ready to become a Jedi Knight.

Kenobi didnt train Luke in these situations, he merely told him what to do. Not particularly hard to do. And so what if Yoda said that Luke was a jedi knight. Dooku was a jedi master and a sith lord. And Dooku said that he was more powerful than any jedi. That doesnt make it so.

All he had to do was defeat Vader which he did. Not only defeat Vader but force him on the defense the entire fight. Luke would defeat Dooku. You saw he can't fight so I suggest you go watch Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.

Vader was emotionally turmoiled with having to fight his son. Dooku would not have this turmoil. Vader was forced on the defencive because of lukes rage. Again Luke has nothing to be raged about when fighting the Count. Thus not being able to push Dooku on the defencive.