Originally posted by Lightsnake
Except Vader was fighting seriously, even moreso at the emd...and you need to realize if Luke is on par with a man like Vader, he can CERTAINLY fight Dooku evenly
No he couldnt. There is a vast difference between Dookus style and Vaders style. Vaders is a more head on physical style whereas Dookus blocks and parrys. So one wild swing from Luke and it is just a simple case of Dooku stepping to the side and killing Luke. You need to realise that Luke has never fought a Makashi practicioner before. He has no idea how to fight Dooku and find his weaknesses. And then there is Dooku whose style counters all others. Face it, Luke just doesnt have the experience or skill needed to dfeat Dooku.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Instinctive mastery. And yeah, y'know, he DID apply it to a real fight...several in fact
As I tried to explain before, but you ignored:
Luke was not called a Master in any of the original movies. The novelizations might say he mastered the use of something, but they were written when the term applied to having learned a skill. You have (I assume) mastered riding a bicycle. That doesn't mean you're a Master of The Bike, which someone like Matt Hoffman is. The English language has moved on in the thirty years since the movies came out. If you were to transport someone from the 60s to Present day LA, there would be any number of expressions that they would not understand, or thought had a different meaning.
Ever seen 51st State? Where Robbie Carlyle offers Sam a cigarette by saying 'Eff Aye Gee' (censor won't allow the written word)? In the UK, that is a commonly used term for cigarettes, it is not just a way of calling someone a homosexual, like it is in America. Do you see the point I'm trying to illustrate? The phrase 'had mastered' just meant Luke had learned to do something. It didn't make him a Master of that weapon.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Except Luke did and the evidence that he did is on screen and in print.
Take the comments made by Alan Quatermain to Agent Tom Sawyer in League of Extraordinary Gentlemen as a similar view:
"American style shooting... Fire lots of times and hope you hit something.
"If you can't do it with one shot, don't do it at all"
The same principle (if you can't do it easily, don't do it at all) applies to fencing as well as shooting.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Semantics with nothing to back you up, Vious. And I didn't see Luke 'swinging wildly hoping to hit something'. he was crushing Vader's defenses and in fact? Fighting rather well.And Rampant, maybe you forgot, but Dooku is weak against form V, which Luke mastered
Lightsnake says it all
No, he's not trying to make a convincing argument out of it, so he doesn't say anything in fact.
Luke was not fighting well. Yes, he was crushing the defenses of an old man by hacking his lightsaber is serveral different places. Sure... he could definetly beat Count Dooku who mastered the best lightsaber to lightsaber style and whose force powers far exceed that of Luke.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, Makashi is not the best fighting style at all. And Vader's hardly an old man, and he's MUCH stronger thsn Dooku physically.
It is. When facing an opponent who is wielding a lightsaber. These forums have really gone down the shitter. Vader could take Dooku, AOTC Kenobi and Skywalker would own Yoda......