RotJ Luke vs Count Dooku.

Here's the script between Luke and Vader: ROTJ

Luke and Vader are engaged in a man-to-man duel of lightsabers
even more vicious then the battle on Bespin. But the young Jedi
has grown stronger in the interim, and now the advantage shifts
to him. Vader is forced back, losing his balance, and is knocked
down the stairs. Luke stands at the top of the stairs, ready to
attack.

Luke ignites his lightsaber and screams in anger, rushing at his
father with a frenzy we have not seen before. Sparks fly as Luke
and Vader fight in the cramped area. Luke's hatred forces Vader
to retreat out of the low area and across a bridge overlooking a
vast elevator shaft. Each stroke of Luke's sword drives his
father further toward defeat.

The Dark Lord is knocked to his knees, and as he raises his sword
to block another onslaught, Luke slashes Vader's right hand off
at the wrist, causing metal and electronic parts to fly from the
mechanical stump. Vader's sword clatters uselessly away, over the
edge of the platform and into the bottomless shaft below. Luke
moves over Vader and holds the blade of his sword to the Dark
Lord's throat. The Emperor watches with uncontrollable, pleased
agitation.

now the advantage shifts
to him. Vader is forced back; Luke now has the advantage and forced Vader back. And Vader was willing to kill Luke or else he wouldn't have threw his lightsaber at him or he wouldn't have watched Luke suffer at the hands of Palpatine.

And about Dooku's lighting: Yoda didn't struggle at all to block it neither did Obi-Wan. Mace and Yoda struggled to hold back Palpatine's.

I dont see how any of that is relevant. This is Dooku vs Luke. Not Luke vs Vader. Like I said before the reason for Luke forcing Vader on the defencive is his rage. And also Vader being emotionally turmoiled over having to fight his son. Neither of these factors would apply in a fight between Dooku and Luke.

Lord Tyranus, don't edit quotes.

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You Dooku fanboy. 😐

Originally posted by Rampant ox
I dont see how any of that is relevant. This is Dooku vs Luke. Not Luke vs Vader. Like I said before the reason for Luke forcing Vader on the defencive is his rage. And also Vader being emotionally turmoiled over having to fight his son. Neither of these factors would apply in a fight between Dooku and Luke.

Considering Vader is master of Form V which is the ideal form against a Form II user and Luke used Form V that means Luke is very skilled with Form V.

Dooku wouldn't be able to resist taunting Luke, and provoking him. A normal ROTJ Luke would be too much for Dooku to handle, but an enraged Luke would be just overwhelming.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest Considering Vader is master of Form V which is the ideal form against a Form II user and Luke used Form V that means Luke is very skilled with Form V.

But Luke is not a master of Form V by ROTJ. We can easily tell this by his wild, clumsy swings. Dooku however is an undisputed master of Form II, the duelling form.

Dooku wouldn't be able to resist taunting Luke, and provoking him. A normal ROTJ Luke would be too much for Dooku to handle, but an enraged Luke would be just overwhelming.

Maybe. But the point is how will Dooku be able to taunt Luke. He knows absolutely nothing about him. Nor, does Luke know anything about Dooku. So there is no reason for Luke to get angry. And even if he was I doubt he would be able to break the Counts defences.

Same way he did Anakin "I sense great fear in you, you have hate, you have anger but you don't use them."

It would be like Vader taunting Luke.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
Same way he did Anakin "I sense great fear in you, you have hate, you have anger but you don't use them."

It would be like Vader taunting Luke.

Yes but if Dooku said that there would be no reason for Luke to get angry. But when he said it to Anakin it must have hit a nerve. Because Anakin was getting lectured by the guy who chopped his arm off. And Vader taunting Luke is different. There is an emotional side to it which wouldnt be there with Dooku.

Luke's swings in ROTJ are in no way clumsier than anything Maul does. Luke's mastered Form V by ROTJ

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Luke's swings in ROTJ are in no way clumsier than anything Maul does. Luke's mastered Form V by ROTJ

Proof. Or is this just your opinion?

Yay, Lightsnake is back!

Wait, were you gone?

Anyway, he's right.

Sure, ROTJ novelization that Luke had mastered the saber in a way to compete with Vader himself?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Sure, ROTJ novelization that Luke had mastered the saber in a way to compete with Vader himself?

I dont see how luke could have mastered the form when he has had a grand total of 3 fights. And besides mastering it is one thing, applying it to a real fight is quite another.

Instinctive mastery. And yeah, y'know, he DID apply it to a real fight...several in fact

Yeah, Luke didn't apply it at all, hahaha.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Instinctive mastery. And yeah, y'know, he DID apply it to a real fight...several in fact

Instinctive mastery. What a load of bullshit. You simply dont become a master in three fights. Nor do you become one with the small amount of training Luke had. Dooku is a master, 2nd best in the jedi order, is a master of the lightsaber vs lightsaber form and is leagues above Luke in terms of the force. Luke doesnt stand a chance.

Except Luke did and the evidence that he did is on screen and in print. and et something through your skull. Luke beat Vader and was able to fight him equally and Vader is Dooku's far better

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Except Luke did and the evidence that he did is on screen and in print. and et something through your skull. Luke beat Vader and was able to fight him equally and Vader is Dooku's far better

Just because Luke is a master doesnt put him on the level of the Count. Kenobi ws a master and look what happened to him...

Dooku has more experience in duelling, a greater control of the force and greater control of a lightsaber. Because Luke bet Vader means little. it is an A<B<C argument. And there were many factors influencing their fight. these factors wouldnt apply with Dooku because they have never met. So the battle will come down to skill and Dooku has far more skill thean Luke.

Vader had all of those, too, look what happened to him. And the first times Anakin fought Vader in Splinter of the Mind's Eye, Luke won...

And nope, Dooku has a lot less skill than the Force's grandson. What part of "Luke beat Dooku's better' is hard to realize?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
[B]Vader had all of those, too, look what happened to him.

The difference being he was fighting his son. Meaning he was emotionally turmoiled. This wont apply if Dooku was fighting.

And the first times Anakin fought Vader in Splinter of the Mind's Eye, Luke won...

That makes no sense.

And nope, Dooku has a lot less skill than the Force's grandson.

Not in ROTJ.

What part of "Luke beat Dooku's better' is hard to realize?

The fact that it is an A<B<C argument. This would make your logic invalid.