Orbalisk Bane versus DE Sidious, lightsbaer battle

i think that sidious knew many forms of fighting, very aggressive, he killed three jedi MASTERS in seconds then engaged windu on one on, and for those of you who say windu won, its still debated that palpatine let him win. It makes good sense, palpatine might have sensed anakin comming and lost the fight so that windu would try to kill him FORCING anakin to kill windu due to his fear of losing pademe. If windu is yoda's inferiour how did an injured palpatine fight him and hold his own so well, i would gess it was a stalemate, since palpatine had to much for lightning even for yoda to just absorb yet yoda was able to cause that explosion that made them both lose. It was clearly a stalemate, Yoda even said that the battle was lost even before it hard started did he not. Dooku and Yoda are the only ones who have ever out fought mace windu in a saber battle, and dooku or tyrannus was his apprentice, if he wanted him dead he should have just killed palpatine and become the lord of the sith, thats how it works, one is the boss the other is the apprentice, the boss representing the power the apprentice wants, when the time comes, the apprentice will kill his master and take his place. vader, and dooku both wanted palpatine dead to take his place, the only one who did not wanna kill palpatine was maul and probably only because he was in sidious care most of his life. Palpatine is not the sith lord cause he is stupid he has considerable power, as well as smarts, if he didnt he would nto have been able to mess with the republic so badly.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Do you understand the difference between quality and quantity? By now we know Plagueis was a pretty damn good teacher, him and Sidious both had a thirst for knowledge, and Sidious learned everything dealing with the Jedi AND the sith. Odan didn't create his own techniques, and it's quite obvious his knowledge was absolutely nothing compared to the knowledge possessed by Sidious.

You mean, minus the fact that Odan had more than ten times longer to learn and more of his life was devoted to the study of the Force? Sidious could not have known everything, or even as much as Odan.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
You mean, minus the fact that Odan had more than ten times longer to learn and more of his life was devoted to the study of the Force? Sidious could not have known everything, or even as much as Odan.

Wow what an argument. And Yoda had 800 more years to learn than Sidious, and was the most powerful jedi up until that time, yet he couldn't defeat him. So moral of the story? Quality>Quantity
Sidious' teachings were the most knowledgable teachings in the SW universe, as shown in Dark Empire. I'd say Plagueis' was better but it's inconclusive. Sidious WAS the dark side and it's pretty obvious he had the most knowledge of it along with the ancients.

there are things that sidious has not learned, The stuff in DESB is already a debate itself

Where was it ever stated that Yoda knew a lot? He just lived a long time. When was he ever shown studying? All Odan ever did was study, even moreso than Sidious. He's got a lot more knowledge, as there is a limit based on time as to how much Sidious could have learned and that limit is set at a much, much higher bar for Odan.

Originally posted by Kadesh
there are things that sidious has not learned, The stuff in DESB is already a debate itself

like?

The fallanasi looping technique,
1.Some groups of force users - like the Falanassi - did hide away from him and he never had access to their ways of using the force.
2. and illustrious did mentione that sidious himself said he couldnt access the jedi holocrons with the teachings, no not the one in DE, the holocrons he said are different

Originally posted by Kadesh
The fallanasi looping technique,
1.Some groups of force users - like the Falanassi - did hide away from him and he never had access to their ways of using the force.

2. and illustrious did mentione that sidious himself said he couldnt access the jedi holocrons with the teachings, no not the one in DE, the holocrons he said are different [/B]

well illustrious handed lightsnakes ass in that thread.

And what is the flow walk? Is it like darth vader who used it to walk like it was mentioned in rodv?

Originally posted by Kadesh
well illustrious handed lightsnakes ass in that thread.

And what is the flow walk? Is it like darth vader who used it to walk like it was mentioned in rodv? [/B]

Being able to see the future and alter it, and being able to see the past as well. Jacen learned it from some monks during his 5 year "soul searching".

What I'm saying is that it is apparent that people's power declines greatly when they become a Force Ghost. Even after having declined greatly when he died, Ragnos' powers were still so great that he left Sadow shaking in his boots. I doubt very strongly that Sidious' Force Ghost would do that to Dooku.

Unless he manipulated the Force to shove Sadow across the room, or anything of that nature, you have yet to provide any proof that the fear was nothing but residual psychological issues that Sadow had with the living Ragnos, as well as a possible fear of the unknown.

What are you trying to argue? My point is that Sidious could not possibly know everything because we know for sure that there is too much for anyone to know. Even Odan, who was over a thousand when he died was still learning and he spent most of his life in the library.

Inconsistencies in Star Wars exist. I hate to tell you this, but it's true. Just because Odan or Kun couldn't learn everything doesn't mean that Sidious couldn't.

If Sidious was this good, why couldn't he take down Mace or Yoda? How old was Maul at this time?

Sidious hadn't touched a lightsaber for thirteen years.

You need to read that. Again. And again. And again. Until you understand it.

Furthermore, Sidious = Mace in sheer swordsmanship, despite the fact.

You think that he had the time to do so?

This is before he became Chancellor of the Republic. Hell. He may have learned it from Plagueis.

You've got a problem with you theory and that is that Sidious has so much knowledge that he could not possibly have learned all of it. Refer to my examples with Exar and Odan for proof.

Refer to the fact that Exar and Odan aren't Sidious.

oo nice did kreia posses flow walking? she predicted the fall of the republic and the death of jango

No, Kreia couldn't alter the future, she could only see it. THATS called foresight.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
No, Kreia couldn't alter the future, she could only see it. THATS called foresight.

She seems to be unrivaled in her accuracy, as well.

This is very true

wrong sidious equals yoda or he wouldnt have defeated yoda i tell you its under debate weather palpatine let windu win or not and in my mind its more logical that he did then kill windu forcing anakin to think of him as a monster instead of a guy who could save his wife, that singular act made him an enemy of the jedi there was no going back, and after he was told he killed padame thats it he lost total care for anyone or anything.

No proof suggested that palpatine let windu beat him, he was trying to kill windu and when windu started to dominate the 2nd half of thefight, he was getting frustrated and more desperate to kill mace, and after he dropped his lightsaber, he was moaning and crawling to the corner even before anakin walked in

AS Anakin walked in...and its already been confirmed that he was "faking" being weak and injured to sway Anakin,

yes i never denied that, mider was claiming mace let sidious beat him which is not true

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
AS Anakin walked in...and its already been confirmed that he was "faking" being weak and injured to sway Anakin,

Read what escape said. He started acting when his lightning attempt was failing(although Mace couldn't hold on for much longer). Everything before that was real.