Orbalisk Bane versus DE Sidious, lightsbaer battle

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Kadesh Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
1. There were Fallanassi traitors, remember?
No, wait, that'd be too easy...

Still, nothing proved that he even met a fallanasi whos a traitor, and even if he did, i doubt they would have showed him their ways of the force. Prove to me that he ever met a fallanasi, that ability was written LONG after DE,
Originally posted by Lightsnake
2. To Leia. Meaning he was most probably lying. Or that you don't need holocrons to learn everything, consider that
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ooo why would he want to lie to her? just because he is a lier? And to learn certein things, you gotta learn it from a holocron encrypted by its creator, a reason why they do it, they wont be around to teach it, bane learnt most of his stuff from revan

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And Kadesh, recent material substantiated his knowing everything: Visual Guide, Dark Side Sourcebook, Hyperspace suplements.....among, y'know, others[/B]
Ahahaha... tooled.. visual guide only stated he studied holocrons to become stronger, they didnt say he mastered everything, You love to lie dont you.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Oooh, sorry, but quotes don't get outdated unless there are direct contradictions.
And there aren't. Sucks for your argument, hm?
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no, it sucks for you, from your point of view, quotes dont get outdated unless there is a contradiction right? then lets look at tulak, Whom a quote from kreia which she or no body can, same with DESB, they have yet to prove it. They just said "It is believed"
You want to play idiot quotes then lets play, Totj stated ragnos was the strongest of the strongest, did it contradict anything? maybe, like the NEC, but that was the Dan wallace opinion, i got the email to prove it
Originally posted by Lightsnake
And if you're ready to stop being stupid: What was he doing during the Mandalorian Armor? I dunno, maybe he was, y'know, studying from the massive collection he had gained on Coruscant?
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could be true, still we dont know what he is doing for sure.

Escape81 Restricted

Ragnos's quote only applies for his time. Sidious didn't exist back then. Adjectives like "ever" or phrases like "in history" were never used. And, of course, nothing states or implies that Ragnos knew anything on the level that Sidious did.

Kadesh Restricted

Good enough then, And thats because we dont know anything about ragnos, all we knew is that every1 feared him. He could be so powerful that he could kill every one with a simple attack, Or he could be so weak, R2d2 could mop his ass with a stun gun

Escape81 Restricted
Originally posted by Kadesh
Good enough then, And thats because we dont know anything about ragnos, all we knew is that every1 feared him. He could be so powerful that he could kill every one with a simple attack, Or he could be so weak, R2d2 could mop his ass with a stun gun

I doubt he's either extreme, Kadesh. Because Ragnos is an unknown, it is pointless to argue for or against him, which is why most of us try not to include him in anything at all.

But when they do, I play the skeptic, and argue against him, because there's nothing to support his awesome power in terms of evidence.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Originally posted by Kadesh
Still, nothing proved that he even met a fallanasi whos a traitor, and even if he did, i doubt they would have showed him their ways of the force. Prove to me that he ever met a fallanasi, that ability was written LONG after DE,
ooo why would he want to lie to her? just because he is a lier? And to learn certein things, you gotta learn it from a holocron encrypted by its creator, a reason why they do it, they wont be around to teach it, bane learnt most of his stuff from revan

It's been confirmed he lied to Luke before in the same comic, why not?
And since the continuity was established, the later continuity meshes perfectly with DE. It adapts to fit the earlier as there's zero contradiction. And the Fallanassi traitors joined the imperials. Logic, my friend.


Ahahaha... tooled.. visual guide only stated he studied holocrons to become stronger, they didnt say he mastered everything, You love to lie dont you.

Hardly, that's one thing, dear lad. There are others and all are used towards the same point


no, it sucks for you, from your point of view, quotes dont get outdated unless there is a contradiction right? then lets look at tulak, Whom a quote from kreia which she or no body can, same with DESB, they have yet to prove it. They just said "It is believed"
You want to play idiot quotes then lets play, Totj stated ragnos was the strongest of the strongest, did it contradict anything? maybe, like the NEC, but that was the Dan wallace opinion, i got the email to prove it

Awww, sorry, but Kreia's an in-universe falliable source and the TOTJ source was referring to a time before everything else. *Yawn*
And maybe that Ragnos one was KJA's opinion. Hypocrisy much?

could be true, still we dont know what he is doing for sure.

Logic, logic.

Escape81 Restricted

Chill, LS.

Don't get wrapped up in a moment of self-absorption. The argument about the Visual Guide still applies and still helps your side.

Kadesh Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
It's been confirmed he lied to Luke before in the same comic, why not?
And since the continuity was established, the later continuity meshes perfectly with DE. It adapts to fit the earlier as there's zero contradiction. And the Fallanassi traitors joined the imperials. Logic, my friend.
Prove that fallnasi joined the imperials. and prove that sidious learnt their ways of the force, tsk tsk, lying fanboys cant save sidious. This fallanasi ability was created long after DE
. They could have joined him(no proof). But why would he bother to learn defensive techniques? Even the DESB can back me up on this, he learns DARK SIDE techniques, he cares nothing for defensive techniques, try again, you fail

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Awww, sorry, but Kreia's an in-universe falliable source and the TOTJ source was referring to a time before everything else. *Yawn*
And maybe that Ragnos one was KJA's opinion. Hypocrisy much?
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*snore* The same can be said for DESB

The visual guide confirmed he did study holocrons to become more powerful, But did not mention nor prove that he learnt every DARK side technique

Lightsnake Senior Member

Prove the Fallanassi joined the Imperials. Ever read the Black Fleet trilogy? Hey, umm, idiot? The full quote from Insider: "He had mastered the Great Power- The Force, the White Current, etc etc- what is the White Current? The Fallanassi term for the Force. Oh, moreover: In the BFC, Talsava betrayed the Fallanassi to the Imperials long ago. And since the quote is canon, that's the reasoning. Logic!

And once again: the DESCB is written from an out of universe POV, thanks for playing!

Kadesh Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Prove the Fallanassi joined the Imperials. Ever read the Black Fleet trilogy? Hey, umm, idiot? The full quote from Insider: "He had mastered the Great Power- The Force, the White Current, etc etc- what is the White Current? The Fallanassi term for the Force. Oh, moreover: In the BFC, Talsava betrayed the Fallanassi to the Imperials long ago. And since the quote is canon, that's the reasoning. Logic!

And once again: the DESCB is written from an out of universe POV, thanks for playing!

ahahahaha.. no such book exists, i checked on wiki, wookie, yahoo and google, nice try liyng!

Rip the exact quote from the book and ill believbe you

Lightsnake Senior Member

Star Wars Insider is a monthly Star Wars magazine.

And the Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy? Dark Empire Sourcebook? Those don't exist? Well, what are:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Black_Fleet_Crisis

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Insider

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Appearances
Before the Storm
Shield of Lies
Tyrant's Test
Dark Nest I: The Joiner King
Retrieved from "http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/White_Current"

These were the appreances of the fallanasi, no "black fleet"

and again the fallanasi, even the traitors would never teach sidious the looping technique, They use it to defend themselves, nothing proved thatsidious knows it. You are a Liar

Kadesh Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Star Wars Insider is a monthly Star Wars magazine.

And the Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy? Dark Empire Sourcebook? Those don't exist? Well, what are:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Black_Fleet_Crisis

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Insider

Nice try, that was 16 ABY AFTER sidious died

Lightsnake Senior Member

Hey, umm....idiot? Talsava betrayed the Fallanassi long before the events of the book, nice try, though!

Sorry, you pathetic little idiot, but the quote's canon, meaning Palpatine learned it somehow, meaning you lose. Get the hell out of my face.

Oh, btw, that series of books is called THE BLACK FLEET CRISIS TRILGOY!

WOOOOOOWEEE!!!!

Kadesh Restricted

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Hey, umm....idiot? Talsava betrayed the Fallanassi long before the events of the book, nice try, though!

Sorry, you pathetic little idiot, but the quote's canon, meaning Palpatine learned it somehow, meaning you lose. Get the hell out of my face.

Oh, btw, that series of books is called THE BLACK FLEET CRISIS TRILGOY!

WOOOOOOWEEE!!!!

ROFLMAO then dont waste your time!!!
"somehow" doesnt prove anything, just because he hangs out with a fallannasi? thats pathetic, so itssafe to say that this yuuzhan vong who hangs out with luke in the unifying "somehow" learnt the force?!
no! He doesnt giva jack about defensive techniques, its power he wants
And quit trolling!

Lightsnake Senior Member

Most YV can't learn the force, we call that a strawman.
And since it's canon Palp had all techniques, the explanation is right there

Darth Subjekt The beginning of the end.

i love how kadesh calls people fanboys and tries to use that against them, but try to tell him that OT Vader is slow, and he gets all upset and fanboyish and tries to argue using EU material.

If a quote, statement, book, comic, or any other source indicates or even insinuates that something is true, and there's NOTHING to DISprove it, then it's canon if not contradicted. So if it leads you to believe that Sidious was with the fallannasi, and that he LEARNED every possible power, then thats what happened. If LS has ANY kind of support to his claims, and you have nothing to the contrary, guess who wins??? Could you say....LS? I knew you could.

Escape81 Restricted

Guys, CHILL!

LS, jeez, quit getting so freakin' defensive. No one here is a "pathetic little idiot".

Kadesh, he laid out the material, black and white. If you don't want to accept it, that is your prerogative. But he is right. Palpatine did learn the techniques. Quit trying to argue it.

DS, you're not helping the situation.

Darth Subjekt The beginning of the end.

calling him out on his hypocricy might cause him to stop. I dont know why he cant except the facts.

Kadesh Restricted

Well, im argueing becase DESB is a debate itself, it said he mastered DARK SIDE techniques, the fallanasi is a lightside technique, the looping this and that, why the hell would palpatine need to learn that?

And im asking him to PROVE, that palpatine mastered lightside techniques, did he learn emerald lightning? no, does he ever uses spmb? no, he never uses what he learns,

Darth Sexy Restricted

Originally posted by Kadesh
Well, im argueing becase DESB is a debate itself, it said he mastered DARK SIDE techniques, the fallanasi is a lightside technique, the looping this and that, why the hell would palpatine need to learn that?

And im asking him to PROVE, that palpatine mastered lightside techniques, did he learn emerald lightning? no, does he ever uses spmb? no, he never uses what he learns,

1. I don't think Palpatine mastered any lightside techniques, as they are absolutely of no use to him.
2. Palpatine couldn't have learned emerald lightning considering he was long dead by the time Luke invented it.