Revan vs DE sidious

Hold up, I never said I didn't read it, because I did, I'm just saying that it got boring real quick for me, and I had to really force myself to read it ('cause when I start a book, I always want to finish it). PoD on the other hand kept me drawn to the book throughout, I can say without a doubt that it's better than Thrawn, though I suppose it depends on preference. If you want a real heavy and deep book, than Thrawn's your best bet. If you want a nice flowing, interesting and exciting book, go for PoD. Hmm.. Hard choice.. 🙄

Again, it's your opinion. You're entitled to it.

It's the opinion held by any normal teen. Only adults would really pick the Thrawn trilogy over PoD, considering your fifteen, I find it kind of odd that Thrawn would be your cup of tea.

Originally posted by Sexyback
It's the opinion held by any normal teen. Only adults would really pick the Thrawn trilogy over PoD, considering your fifteen, I find it kind of odd that Thrawn would be your cup of tea.

Oh, I don't doubt that PoD will be a good book. It is simply the author's attempts to overpower his characters that irritate me. As well as Revan's credit for Bane's work.

But, as I said, in terms of overall popularity and impact, the Thrawn trilogy is much more essential to the EU.

If your referring to the Ro2 Revan only gave the basic idea, Bane followed up on it. However as for popularity Thrawn wins but as for importance to the EU, Bane is a MUCH more important character then Admiral Thrawn.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
If your referring to the Ro2 Revan only gave the basic idea, Bane followed up on it. However as for popularity Thrawn wins but as for importance to the EU, Bane is a MUCH more important character then Admiral Thrawn.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
If your referring to the Ro2 Revan only gave the basic idea, Bane followed up on it. However as for popularity Thrawn wins but as for importance to the EU, Bane is a MUCH more important character then Admiral Thrawn.

Revan was the first Lord of the Sith to use the title of "Darth", and he was also the first Sith Lord to use the rule of two. Once upon a time, both of these traditions belonged to Bane.

I'm not referring to "in-universe" when I say "popularity" or "impact". Lucas himself has said in an interview that the Thrawn trilogy is "the father of Star Wars novels" - "the originator of the Expanded Universe". The Thrawn trilogy and the Hand of Thrawn duology were both international bestsellers, and considered by most fans and SW authors alike to be at the very pinnacle of excellence.

PoD is neither an international bestseller, nor is it considered to be by the majority of the public to be the very pinnacle of excellence.

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Originally posted by Gideon
Revan was the first Lord of the Sith to use the title of "Darth", and he was also the first Sith Lord to use the rule of two. Once upon a time, both of these traditions belonged to Bane.

I'm not referring to "in-universe" when I say "popularity" or "impact". Lucas himself has said in an interview that the Thrawn trilogy is "the father of Star Wars novels" - "the originator of the Expanded Universe". The Thrawn trilogy and the Hand of Thrawn duology were both international bestsellers, and considered by most fans and SW authors alike to be at the very pinnacle of excellence.

PoD is neither an international bestseller, nor is it considered to be by the majority of the public to be the very pinnacle of excellence.

The Darth title doesn't originate with Revan either its with Annedue(sp) currently

Read the book and then judge.

Actually it's more than likely that the title Darth originated with Darth Andeddu. I had a conversation with lightsnake about it and it's possible he came before even Ragnos.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Actually it's more than likely that the title Darth originated with Darth Andeddu. I had a conversation with lightsnake about it and it's possible he came before even Ragnos.

That's pretty freaking old. Point consented.

Btw, Sidious crushes Revan.

He firmly has this, but he wouldn't crush Revan.

Originally posted by kamhal
1) Did i say bastila>kun? No, i didn't say that so YOU don't start with CRAP because i am getting tired from your ATTITUDE since i never lack anyones respect here and YOU had already crossed this line.

Originally posted by kamhal

2) Sodo-Bias stated exar kun as the greatest apprentice he had and the jedi fought against him. Also ALL the THOUSANDS of jedi were there when they killed exar kun, vrook could PERFECTLY SENSED his power before they killed him this time if he had not sensed it already.

Originally posted by kamhal

Also, in the old republic books just A PART of the war was showed, it's clear that we didn't see everything. We didn't see Jolle Bindo fighting, did we? But he fought there. Also Exar Kun went to the Jedi Acadamy to convince the jedi to join them, are you saying me that from ALL dantoine master's NONE of them sensed his power in all these occasions? How masters who fought in the war never felt his power? It's impossible, especially when people say his power was huge, because if it's huge must be sensed across al the galaxy.

Originally posted by kamhal

3) I NEVER SAID VROOK TRAINED EXAR KUN YOU JERK! And vrook said "the force through you like no other student we had ever SEEN before." Not "... like no other student we had ever TRAINED before". And if you ask Dorak he even says "Revan's tale shows us how even the GREATEST of the jedi can fall to the dark side", thus making revan>exar kun. And dorak knew about exar kun, you just have to ask him, yet revan had more force power then no other student he had ever SEEN! Want more?

Originally posted by kamhal

yet revan had more force power then no other student he had ever SEEN! Want more
?

Originally posted by kamhal

"We had never met one like you before, and never since"- Canderous Ordo, who fought in the Great Sith War
"We lost to the greatest warrior the Republic had ever known"- Canderous Ordo, who fought in the Great Sith War
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Originally posted by kamhal

Revan- "Who where Exar Kun?"
Jolee- "A fallen jedi... (bla bla)"
Revan- "Some kind of revan? Of me?"
Jolee- "Yeah"

Exar was "some kind of revan", lol. A smaller revan maybe lol...

Kamhal, are you some ****ing moron who doesnt understand english?

i asked

HAS VROOK OR THE ACADEMY EVEN MET EXAR KUN TO JUDGE HIS POWER, HAVE THEY EVEN TRAINED HIM

You never said you did YET you contradict yourself, first you say that same old shit "greatest student we ever seen" and then you say that vrook or the academy never trained exar kun,

That means he was NEVER TRAINED THERE, and vrook and dorak were referring to STUDENTS THEY TRAINED

Originally posted by Kadesh
He was refering to revans military tactis moron

But the "warrior" comment was aimed towards Revan's fighting abilities.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Lmao that was a fiqure of speech, revan was much like exar kun [B]FALLEN JEDI

He surely knows a lot about Kun. And he never made a claim that Kun was more powerful then Sith Lords in JCW.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The first comment was aimed at Revan's tactics.

But the "warrior" comment was based on Revan's fighting abilities.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Jolee had fought in GSW. His wife was Kun's follower and was killed in final battle.

He surely knows a lot about Kun. And he never made a claim (like that Rodian) that Kun was more powerful then Sith Lords in JCW.

i was argueing to kamhal that the academy had never trained exar kun, and that vrooks quote was referring to those the academy had trained.

You know that dont you?

Originally posted by Kadesh
ok i got it partly wrong, but wasnt he referring to revan who killed the great mandalore in hand to hand combat?

But their would be some more reasons because he says that Revan is the single greatest warrior of this age.

Originally posted by Kadesh

Neither did he make a claim that revan > exar kun

Originally posted by Kadesh
i was argueing to kamhal that the academy had never trained exar kun, and that vrooks quote was referring to those the academy had trained.

You know that dont you?

Anyways! Master Dorak was a Jedi historian. His information has to be very accurate and based on references from others. He too never claimed that Kun > Revan or Revan > Kun.

It is more like that both these Sith Lords were almost close to each other in terms of power and both got pawned anyways! hehehehe!

Then i guess we agree

"We had never met one like you before, and never since" Since when this is just to revan' tactics? Since WHEN? Canderous is clearly talking about revan as a whole, they never met someone as tactician, as strong in the force and as great warrior as revan.

I ask this: people here are saying that statements saying that revan was the best ever, thus making him better then exar, from people who fought in the Great Sith War are not conclusive? How is this possible? How can we ignore statements from warriors or jedi masters from that time?

Because if we do that, and this is very serious, then next time someone come here saying that yoda>everyone else before him or that sidious>everyone else before him i will just laugh on his face, because if statement from people who fought 40 years ago during kun's war are not valid them how statements from people who lived thousads years ago can be used? Or how someone could ever say that, for example, yoda is the greatest jedi here before luke skywalker? How can you say that, yet ignoring 1 statement from 1 person saying that revan was "the greatest WARRIOR the republic ever know" yet he fought with Exar Kun? Or saying that "we had never met someone like you before", yet he was there, fighting alongside with exar kun? Or even master dorak, a historicin, saying that revan was the GREATEST jedi when exar was once a jedi? Or even vrook, a jedi master in the great sith war, that fought in thatwar against exar kun, qel-droma and their minions, yet he says that revan has more force power then he or all the other masters (most of them should have also fought in that war too) had ever seen?

By the way, some more statements:

"The force is so strong in you human"- Adjunta Pall, one of the greatest ancient sith to Revan

"You...The force is with you. So strong, so bright."- Adjunta Pall to Revan

"So much power... it is bliding"- Adjunta Pall to Revan

"You who bristle with the force"- Adjunta Pall to Revan

"I... see your heart human jedi. I see your power, your pride."- Adjunta Pall

You are by far the most irritating fanboy i have ever seen in KMC, even i can agree with S_W_legend. you repeat the same shit over and over which i have refuted

Originally posted by kamhal
"We had never met one like you before, and never since" Since when this is just to revan' tactics? Since WHEN? Canderous is clearly talking about revan as a whole, they never met someone as tactician, as strong in the force and as great warrior as revan.

Originally posted by kamhal
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I ask this: people here are saying that statements saying that revan was the best ever, thus making him better then exar, from people who fought in the Great Sith War are not conclusive? How is this possible? How can we ignore statements from warriors or jedi masters from that time?

Originally posted by kamhal
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Because if we do that, and this is very serious, then next time someone come here saying that yoda>everyone else before him or that sidious>everyone else before him i will just laugh on his face, because if statement from people who fought 40 years ago during kun's war are not valid them how statements from people who lived thousads years ago can be used? Or how someone could ever say that, for example, yoda is the greatest jedi here before luke skywalker? How can you say that,

Originally posted by kamhal
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yet ignoring 1 statement from 1 person saying that revan was "the greatest WARRIOR the republic ever know"

Originally posted by kamhal
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yet he fought with Exar Kun? Or saying that "we had never met someone like you before", yet he was there, fighting alongside with exar kun? Or even master dorak, a historicin, saying that revan was the GREATEST jedi when exar was once a jedi? Or even vrook, a jedi master in the great sith war, that fought in thatwar against exar kun, qel-droma and their minions, yet he says that revan has more force power then he or all the other masters (most of them should have also fought in that war too) had ever seen?

First you claim that the masters stated revan was the best student the academy had seen. Moron i will say this loud and clear. The acadmy was refering to STUDENTS THEY HAD TRAINED
And did the academy TRAIN exar kun? THEY DID NOT and thus are UNABLE TO GUAGE HIS POTENTIAL AND POWER

Originally posted by kamhal
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By the way, some more statements:

"The force is so strong in you human"- Adjunta Pall, one of the greatest ancient sith to Revan

"You...The force is with you. So strong, so bright."- Adjunta Pall to Revan

"So much power... it is bliding"- Adjunta Pall to Revan

"You who bristle with the force"- Adjunta Pall to Revan

"I... see your heart human jedi. I see your power, your pride."- Adjunta Pall

O how bout this, Kreia stated that revan would lose to an ancient sith lord in combat, she clearly stated that in K2. she stated the great masters of our ERA (kotor) would be like children playing with toys compared to the ancient sith, and didnt Kevin J anderson
stated exar kun > ragnos when ragnos the ancient sith > revan according to kreia? [/B]

Ragnos is over-rated. He is only noted for beating Simus. Although it is impressive to see that he ruled the Sith for 100 years amidest a voilent time, but their was no one powerful enough to challenge him.

Naga Sadow really disappointed us in this regard. He should have tried to take Ragnos down but he did not had the balls to do so. Many consider him to be pathetic.

I bet that Exar Kun would have destroyed Ragnos, if he was present in his time. After-all, he destroyed Nadd's spirit as well.