Revan vs DE sidious

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Noobs like you will never understand the meaning of term "[B]Common Sense". Those Force Powers were mentioned in KOTOR game for a reason and that means that Jedi and Sith of KOTOR time period learned and used those Force Powers. And the force powers that Malak demonstrated in KOTOR game are fully canon and he was once an apprentice of Revan himself, so Revan knew all those Force Powers (that Malak knew) and since Revan had more knowledge of the Force, so he knew some additional Force Powers that even Malak never knew. So, get this logic in you thick skull now.[/B]

Yeah, you guys are syupid, why can't you just get this?

So... Plageius knew force storm, isn't that cool?

...That was sarcasm.

Why would Revan need to know all of Malaks force moves? It could be as varied as lightsaber styles. Not all apprentices use the same ones as their masters. Also, Malak had plenty of time without Revan to study and had apparently unlocked some of the Star Forges' power.

You can't prove that Revan knows all those abilities, just because in gameplay, Malak uses them sometimes. Also, just a reminder... Revan is a Jedi, and, even if he did know those powers, he wouldn't use them.

Originally posted by Kadesh
You are such a n00b, First of all revan does not have some of those powers canocically because its from gameplay and thus are not canon and sidious does because sources stated he knew all techniques

While your argument of claiming gameplay doesn't show accurate portrayal of the character's powers, I must disagree to an extent here. We're talking about the prodigal knight Revan here, who is even more powerful than his former evil self. Darth Revan, as we know, has been listed to know many powers (and a good deal of those has been listed already). Lightside Revan, as commented by Revan's former apprentice: the Dark Lord Malak, is greater than Darth Revan. What does this tell you? That Revan must be even stronger in terms of the Light Side of the Force. This connects to KOTOR. Originally, people have claimed that Knights of the Old Republics granted too many powers to Revan. But yet, LS Revan > DS Revan and DS Revan is master of the Dark. Thus, what's the only solution? That is, KOTOR shows accurate uses of the Force by Revan. I'm not saying Revan might know every LS mastered-powered Force move in the game. Yet however, he must know a good deal for him to say he's better than Darth Revan. So while Sidious may all the techniques for the Dark Side, prodigal knight Revan knows a helluva Light Side techniques to contend against this.

And Palpatine knows those lightside techniques too. Big deal

Does he? I thought that Sidious knows all Dark Side techniques, but not all Light Side. And Revan's quite strong with those LS moves to beat someone like Malak and to all of his KOTOR feats.

Of course still Sidious > Revan.

Hey guys, I'm going to make a Sidious respect thread, and hopefully if there really is actually proof for half the stuff people have been saying, that would be the best place to put it.

If gameplay counts, then Revan can only attack every three seconds from a few very limited types of attacks!

Nice try.

Not that I agree with the argument that Revan necessarily has to know all the powers available in the KotOR game, game stats =/ gameplay.

If gameplay counts, then Revan can only attack every three seconds from a few very limited types of attacks!

The actual movements of the characters cannot be counted. However, you count the abilities and the feats because it seems probably and likely true. Again, read what I said. If prodigal knight Revan > Darth Revan, then he must know many of the KOTOR LS moves.

Originally posted by General Kenobl
The actual movements of the characters cannot be counted. However, you count the abilities and the feats because it seems probably and likely true[No basis, of course, but, who cares?]. Again, read what I said. If prodigal knight Revan > Darth Revan, then he must [by my unsupported guess] know many of the KOTOR LS moves.

You put out a strong argument!

But, to the degree he can use these powers must be questioned. I mean, any 10 year old padawan can execute a force push, just as Yoda does, but that doesn't mean they are of the same caliber.

You put out a strong argument!

This wasn't sarcastic, was it?

But, to the degree he can use these powers must be questioned. I mean, any 10 year old padawan can execute a force push, just as Yoda does, but that doesn't mean they are of the same caliber.

Well yeah, but since LS Revan > Darth Revan, then the calibur of the Force moves must be definately up there.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Why would Revan need to know all of Malaks force moves? It could be as varied as lightsaber styles. Not all apprentices use the same ones as their masters. Also, Malak had plenty of time without Revan to study and had apparently unlocked some of the Star Forges' power.

You can't prove that Revan knows all those abilities, just because in gameplay, Malak uses them sometimes. Also, just a reminder... Revan is a Jedi, and, even if he did know those powers, he wouldn't use them.

After a couple of years, Malak indeed became very powerful but he was not powerful enough to challenge Darth Revan and yet got the title of DLOTS through betrayal. And after becoming DLOTS, Malak wasn't exploring ancient Sith worlds for more knowledge but was more interested in finding Bastilla.

Malak indeed was also exploring the secrets of Star Forge but it was already operational in Revan's time. And Revan too understood Star Forge very well but his aims & plans were different and Malak assumed that Revan was not using Star Forge like he should, so he might not know much about it. But Malak's assumption was totally wrong as Revan was smart enough to make Star Forge operational and avoid the possibilities of being consumed by it as well (because Star Forge was known to consume those who tried to explore its secrets).

Star Forge did enhanced Malak's power (but Malak was too much over-confident about SF priorities and risked something even greater: his personal conciousness) and still what he knew was not enough to defeat Revan so you can assume the reason behind it.

Revan had enough power to destroy an entire army of Rakatans (- this includes Rancors) with some force lightning, it's pretty clear that he's powerful as well as knowledgeable, and this was before KotOR, and judging by what Malak said, Revan was stronger by the end of KotOR than he ever was before.

In fact, I really don't see why people try to state that Revan is an unknown all the time. He's not.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
I think your getting mixed up. ROTS Sidious (whom your referring to in most of this) isn't even in the same league as his DE counterpart. In terms of lightsaber prowess (at least speed) and force power, DE Sidious is heads and shoulders above his ROTS self. So half your argument falls out the window because your referring to the wrong incarnation of Sidious.

I said that, are you sure he's faster? When Sidious dueled Mace he was also described as a blur but this was by Anakin not Liea who could still follow there movements. There's nothing to suggest that he got faster other then Liea not being able to see him, and by this logic your claiming DE Luke is faster then Yoda. Force power as I said DE is better, so my argument still stands.

While I declare Sidious as the better, there is no doubt that these two individuals are two of the finest Jedi/Sith the galaxy has seen. The Prodigal Knight Revan is one of the strongest Jedi of all time, and Sidious is probably THE most powerful Dark Lord in existance. A battle between these greats would be a spectacle, but Sidious comes with the victory, albeit a very difficult fight put up by Revan.

Originally posted by General Kenobl
While I declare Sidious as the better, there is no doubt that these two individuals are two of the finest Jedi/Sith the galaxy has seen. The Prodigal Knight Revan is one of the strongest Jedi of all time, and Sidious is probably THE most powerful Dark Lord in existance. A battle between these greats would be a spectacle, but Sidious comes with the victory, albeit a very difficult fight put up by Revan.

You put it all up in a short paragraph and I appreciate this. 😉

Hey thanks Legend!

Originally posted by General Kenobl
While I declare Sidious as the better, there is no doubt that these two individuals are two of the finest Jedi/Sith the galaxy has seen. The Prodigal Knight Revan is one of the strongest Jedi of all time, and Sidious is probably THE most powerful Dark Lord in existance. A battle between these greats would be a spectacle, but Sidious comes with the victory, albeit a very difficult fight put up by Revan.

Meh, I don't see it being that difficult really. Its no cake walk for sure, but DE Sidious would win rather handily.

Maybe...

You got it all wrong Rev wins... And I'lll explane why... Rev is the Beginer of the New Sith Empire... so tecnicly Sidious would learn the dark side from Revan's apprentices apprentices..... and so on... Revan has a much vaster knowlage even then DE Sidous...