Originally posted by Darth_Frost
You got it all wrong Rev wins... And I'lll explane why... Rev is the Beginer of the New Sith Empire... so tecnicly Sidious would learn the dark side from Revan's apprentices apprentices..... and so on... Revan has a much vaster knowlage even then DE Sidous...
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You do realize that apprentices kill their master when they become more powerful than them, right? Also, Sidious era Sith (Well, post Bane) are more powerful (Chapter 20, ROTS Novelization). Lastly, it would take the worst Sith ever to have not the ambition to become more powerful than their predecessors and not attempt to make new techniques (such as Force Storm).
Also, Sidious (DE and otherwise) has shown much more power than Revan.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIts only a possibility yes i dont deny but there is no proof
I don't need to because I used the word "possibly", when making this assumption. And this means that he might have learned it or he might have not.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDok sure, how bout this, so close yet so far?
Revan is close. Trust me!
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDUm no way, sidious could kill an entire room of troopers and still know how to divert his lightning from hitting his men which are with the troopers, N00b
Wow! you don't get tired of making garbage statements? do you?Revan's lightening was also very powerful just like that of Sidious. Noob!
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDUm you fail to prove that revan has them canonically. And malak did not demonstrate much either than drain choke lightning oush and pull, prehaps fear and stasis, The list you have given are utter bull shit in reality. Yes revan knew alot of powers which are still unkown at this point of time, not till kotor 3
Noobs like you will never understand the meaning of term "[B]Common Sense". Those Force Powers were mentioned in KOTOR game for a reason and that means that Jedi and Sith of KOTOR time period learned and used those Force Powers. And the force powers that Malak demonstrated in KOTOR game are fully canon and he was once an apprentice of Revan himself, so Revan knew all those Force Powers (that Malak knew) and since Revan had more knowledge of the Force, so he knew some additional Force Powers that even Malak never knew. So, get this logic in you thick skull now.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWell good then. because they didnt attack him all at once, and he was with his entire party giving ample time to wtf pwn one of them and help on with his PT members
I never contradicted my self. Your Noobish approach to things is making this debate worse. I said that those Sith Forces were "over-whelming" in the sense that they were very large in number and Revan had to constantly fight waves after waves of them throughout on Star Forge. And I never said that all of those "Sith Forces" attacked Revan at once.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDyes the powers are canon but did revan canonically learn them? no he didnt, if you are going to use the grid as a source then by right exile shoud > revan
Those gameplay powers also include the list of those force powers that are fully canon. Need I point out those?
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDforce powers are canon but revan does not know all of them. Only the ones he has demonstrated in cut scenes and novels are then canon
Actually "Game Mechanics ([B]feats)" are not canon but "Force Powers" are canon.
I never said that entire Sith army attacked Revan all by once. Stop making baseless claims. [/B]
Um you fail to prove that revan has them canonically. And malak did not demonstrate much either than drain choke lightning oush and pull, prehaps fear and stasis, The list you have given are utter bull shit in reality. Yes revan knew alot of powers which are still unkown at this point of time, not till kotor 3
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I understand what you are saying. It's not 100% canonical. Here's what I posted earlier on this. Legend and I have similar viewpoints, but I think here's what he was saying:
Originally posted by General Kenobl
While your argument of claiming gameplay doesn't show accurate portrayal of the character's powers, I must disagree to an extent here. We're talking about the prodigal knight Revan here, who is even more powerful than his former evil self. Darth Revan, as we know, has been listed to know many powers (and a good deal of those has been listed already). Lightside Revan, as commented by Revan's former apprentice: the Dark Lord Malak, is greater than Darth Revan. What does this tell you? That Revan must be even stronger in terms of the Light Side of the Force. This connects to KOTOR. Originally, people have claimed that Knights of the Old Republics granted too many powers to Revan. But yet, LS Revan > DS Revan and DS Revan is master of the Dark. Thus, what's the only solution? That is, KOTOR shows accurate uses of the Force by Revan. I'm not saying Revan might know every LS mastered-powered Force move in the game. Yet however, he must know a good deal for him to say he's better than Darth Revan. So while Sidious may all the techniques for the Dark Side, prodigal knight Revan knows a helluva Light Side techniques to contend against this.
- From Revan's EU profile: "Aboard the Star Forge, Revan almost single-handedly defeated an entire army of Sith and Dark Jedi, a testament to his power in the Force and mastery of lightsaber combat."
Link: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/union...511&print=1
More information: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/union...p;union_id=2511
Comments: Revan's immense mastery of the force was put to test on Star Forge and he proved it by defeating all kinds of odds there. He encountered waves after waves of powerful Battle Droids, Dark Jedi and Elite Sith Troopers and he defeated them all. Malak himself acknowledged this fact and he believed that no matter what he throws at Revan, will not stop him and most it would do will just slow him down. Malak's commander was also aware of this.
- From Revan's EU profile: "Finally, Revan again confronted his old friend and apprentice, Malak, in an epic lightsaber duel. During their duel, Malak continually sucked the life force from Jedi held in stasis to replenish his energies. This, however, was not enough to defeat Revan, as he forcefully released the captive Jedi, allowing them to become one with the Force. At last, Malak was cut down."
Comments: It is evident from this description that Malak - despite of all the impressive skills and powers he knew, failed against Revan. Revan was so powerful that he "force-fully" converted some of the captured Jedi to become with the force.
- From starwars.com/blogs: "Eventually, Revan tracked Malak to the Star Forge and in a titanic duel Malak was killed.
Comments: The duel between Revan and Malak was so immense that is was referred to be of "titanic" proportions in an official source and Revan won. Note that Malak was also a master swordsman and he has defeated the best known Jedi warrior of KOTOR period "Jedi Master Kavar" and proved his elite Light Saber skills.
- The personal words of Revan's mentor kreia: "Revan was Power. Looking in to his eyes was like looking in to the heart of the force, still you could see the souls of many Jedi that he would slay".
Note: Kriea says this to Exile in KOTOR II when describing Revan.
- From Darth Bane: Path of Destruction: QUOTE from Revan to Bane: [i]"My time here is ended. Take what I have taught you and use it well."
Additional Spoiler: "Darth Bane—recently proclaimed a Dark Lord himself—traveled to Lehon in search of power enough to topple the existing Sith regime, the Brotherhood of Darkness. Once there, he discovered Revan's holocron and from it received training and instruction that, in his opinion, surpassed the entirety of Korriban Academy's archives."
Comments: Darth Bane was not powerful enough to topple the Sith regime in his time. But Revan's knowledge helped him to achieve this mission. One of the things that Bane learned from Revan was the ritual of the deadly "Thought Bomb".
- From Star Wars-NEC: "Revan pushed back and fed on a planet full of DS energy. Revan's will allows him to feed on (and not be consumed by) the power of the dark side."
Comments: This information demonstrates "Drain Knowledge". And Revan was so strong willed that he actually fed on Dark Side Energies.
- From Star Wars-NEC: "And he draws dark side energy from space and uses it to over power and dominate the will of many many Jedi at once. Revan is able to draw upon the dark side energies of the planet below and use it during the battle, destroying the Mandalore and ending the Mandalorian threat. Simultaneously, more and more Jedi, unable to ignore the power emanating from the planet below, become corrupted by its influence."
Comments: This ability shows that Revan can greatly enhance his power by drawing support from the Dark Side energies in the force, whenever he wants to. Revan can also lure Jedi to his cause through dark side energies and this shows his powerful "telekinetic mind domination" ability.
- Narration from "The One": "You used one of those magical powers of yours to kill many of my warriors who were also accompanied by Rancor Beasts. Your power extended from sky and slaughtered all of my scouting parties along with the beasts".
Comments: This is a direct quote from "The One" - Leader of one of the Rakatan Tribes - fighting for dominance over Lehon planet. He revealed this to Revan, when Revan met him again. The power that the "The One" was describing was Revan's incredible "Force Lightening Storm", which goes up high in the air and then spreads with rapid space killing any one instantly in its path. This power is not limited to any specific distance as it keeps on spreading until its wielder stops it.
- Revan as a Warrior:
[i]"You, Revan, are the single greatest warrior of this age"[/B] - Narration by Canderous.
The actual concept art of Revan shows that Revan was a master of "Jar Kai" combat. He also demonstrates "Juyo" form when he was facing Bastilla and her companions on his ship. He also earned the reputation of "saber prodigy" due to his excellent dueling capabilities. Only "Kavar" and "Malak" were close.
Carth Onasi comments on Revan's saber skills: [i]"I've been watching you wield that lightsaber, actually. Your finesse with it is incredible."
Revan is known to kill many powerful warriors in his age. Some of them are:
- Mandalore: The Ultimate (He was the leader of the huge mandalorian army that Republic faced in Revan's time and he was the second most powerful mandalorian ever known. Revan alone killed him in a single combat and executed him in front of his followers.)
- Yusanis (He was the greatest Echani Warrior ever known in entire Star Wars Saga. He challenged Revan in a duel and Revan proved his superior precognition capability in this fight by killing him.)
- Darth Malak (He was a master swordsman and a very powerful force user as well. He was one of the most powerful Sith Lords ever known in KOTOR era and among Ancients. He was killed by Revan alone in an epic duel.)
- Calo Nord (He was the most powerful Bounty Hunter of KOTOR era. He was also the most feared bounty hunter in Taris and the only person smart enough to survive the destruction of Taris on his own.)
- Bendak Starkiller (He was the best warrior in entire Taris planet and he dominated the dueling contests for 20 years and killed many warriors. He was ultimately killed by Revan in a pure dueling contest, as hundreds of people watched.)
Another quote from a Sith - Yuthura Ban, on Revan: "I hear he was a very powerful man. Very charismatic."