Originally posted by Lightsnake
Size matters not, remember that?
Then I guess lifting a pebble and lifting a starship are the same thing.
Add that to the distinct probability of Palpatine's own power and the nature of forc elightning and you don't really have a point.
Palpatine's own power being insufficient to keep Yoda on the ground for more than a few minutes, despite landing a solid hit, and the "distinct" nature of lightning being. . . what, exactly? That as displayed in the movies, it
doesn't disintegrate anything? Try again. Or rather, don't.
And in the EU, it's fast enough to evade rapidly fired faster bolts. So?
For someone who practically preaches the levels of canon, you don't seem to pay much attention.
What? Last I checked the bolts fire in a straight line, so unless Kun's precog will tell him exactly where they're running to....is Kun going
Is Kun going to keep firing, blowing the environment into oblivion and likely hitting his opponent in the process? Yes.
So, so it's beyond the realm of possibility, that the first miss'll be Kun's last?
Yes, it is.
What if they use an attack on the first dodge?
What offensive attack could a
Jedi use against one of the most powerful Sith in history that would keep him down? As I hope you know, Force-users
are taught to defend against telekinesis, so unless Kun is standing there gloating like a moron, he's most likely not going down to that.
What if they simply leap over to Kun's back, both distances are highly feasible?
Right. So they're going to evade his massive beam, just hop over his head, and chop him in half? Hardly. Even if they manage to close the distance - which
is possible with Yoda - he'd probably be quick enough to whip out his lightsaber and engage them in a duel, which is just as bad of a situation for the Jedi.
How's it going to 'destroy the destination? Widest we saw was going through the Sith wyrm's mouth and that was several tiems larger than Kun's body. So?
We also saw it rip through a temple wall and completely annihilate organic beings. More or less everything it touches, it destroys.
Why not? Because it's just as likely? You can crow about "Exar will always use those amulets immediately and they'll always work!"
Lightsnake, you need to think. A Jedi is not going to overpower a Sith using Dark Side techniques. It's simply not going to happen. And taking a leaf out of your book: Prove Mace can use Force-crush on another powerful Force-user.
But Mace can't focus and clench his hand in response? He was happy to use the ability against Grievous right off.
And did this kill Grievous? Was Grievous a Force-user? Was Grievous shooting giant blasts of Dark Side energy at him at the time? No.
So, there's something wrong with saying this now?
Yes.
Usual underrating of the PT. Y'know, what Lucas called the Prime of the Jedi?
Figures, and I'm surprised I didn't get this before. Count on Lightsnake to accuse you of bias.
Wow, different circumstances and irrelevant misdirection!
And Wow! Exar will instantly resort to something he's never shown using again! Wow!
Wow, almost the exact same cicumstances and completely to the point! And Wow! Yoda will instantly resort to something he's never ****ing done, ever. Wow!
Considering she brought up Obi-wan as a point and I was responding to it...
Just what part of that were you answering? Because I saw no relevance whatsoever.
Hardly. People have to, y'know, move to do things. Like their arms in order to blast things. And the idiotic assertion that Mace and Yoda won't actually, y'know, do something before he does
Moving your arm takes, y'know, less than an eon if you're not Sidious. And the "idiotic" assertion that Mace and Yoda
can't do anything is perfectly valid, as they've
demonstrated the ability to run or jump as fast as you claim.
Unless this take place in the senate or the like, irrelevant misdirection.
1) You need to stop using the "irrelevant misdirection" card, because now it's completely out place.
2) Wrong. If Yoda could simply hop away and WTFpwn Sidious with his godly Force-push, he would have done so. Fact is, if he can't do it when facing down relatively slow Senate pods, he's not going to be able to do it against [Nai]lightspeed-fast[/Nai] Force beams.
And last I checked, it was Yoda attempting to close the distance in a much different arena
Yeah, while trying to dodge pods instead of enery blasts. So it balances out.
Why don't you start reading what I'm saying instead of picking up totally different meanings?
I'm responding to what I see - you might want to try a) Finishing most of your sentences and b) Making sense.
Can Mace and Yoda block energy after years of training that Kyle, who received no training, would not be able to?
And again, you treat the Dark Side's weapons as simple energy, which it's not. Unless Vader can deflect Sith lightning now. . .
Minus Yoda taking such energy with his bar ehands
Oh my ****ing God. . . Alright, I'm going to break this down for you.
1) Yoda blocked Force-lightning, energy that - as demonstrated by Sidious twice in RotS - does not have the ability to disintegrate flesh and bone, rock, etc.
2) Exar Kun's blast of Dark-Side energy has the ability to disintegrate flesh and bones, rock, etc.
3) Force-lightning =/= Amulet blasts
4) Thus, there is no evidence supporting your claims that Yoda can simply catch the beams with his bare hands.
or Mace's fighting style reflecting such energy, right
Right. Well, if Mace somehow pulls this ability out of his ass and manages to block the beams - despite them being multiple times his size and far larger than the defensive barricade his saber affords him - I don't see how he's simply going to stop, block it, and continue his charge before Kun just hurls another at his feet, considering his intense struggle against Palpatine's lightning.
Wow, they're destructive! So goddamn what? Unless you have proof of them being used, against, y'know, strong force users, get back to me.
You've passed evasion and run right into denial.
There's absolutely nothing supporting your claims that Yoda can defend against them, and if he can't, it's unlikely that any Jedi can.
Because apparently Exar elected he couldn't fight the Jedi army when he had his own army-consisting of the remainder of his Brotherhood, the Krath forces,
Did you miss the part where he's being confronted by
every single Jedi in the galaxy?his numerous alchemical creatures, including Terentateks which require many Jedi to kill and these vaunted amulets.
I missed the part where he created the terentateks. And if he did, I'm curious to see how they survived the Light Side purge that destroyed Yavin's forests and got off-world.
Yet he runs, screws up and traps himself. Funny that.
Now, can you honestly tell me without a scrap of proof behind you the amulets are immune to the force completely and cannot be disabled or destroyed?
Who the hell said they can't be disabled? Don't put words into my mouth.
Can you really tell me, with no proof behind this assertion that this is so?
There's absolutely nothing pointing to the contrary.
Are you even reading my posts?
Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Thoroughly, actually, and the amount of BS is staggering.
Hm, seems to prove what she asked
It seems to be a bunch of random facts that don't prove that every Sith and his mother had access to the powerful amulets of Sadow and the ilk.
Which'd be BS, because it allowed people who weren't even Force Users to use powers of the Force.
When was this?
When the evidence we have is that such amulets were worn on one's hand ?
Which is evidence you have yet to provide.