Storm vs Magneto pt 2

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well you need to explain the feat first. How come all the energy of millions of stars only equals enough energy to light up as one star for the briefest of moments?

That's easy. Obviously the energies of all of those millions of stars were crammed together to create one star. This is really desperate on your part. Also, she did not "light up like a star." That is your altering the text. A new star came into existence. Notice, after the stunt, the star was gone and we have just Ororo. So she restored the core.

Originally posted by Rutog98
I don't see what this has to do with anything. She channeled the full power of the core to kill the embreyo. That only took a small fraction of time to do so. Afterwards, she returned the energy just as easily as she summoned it. Hence, that is why you still have stars. Either that or you could argue that those were stars in the nubula and not in the core with her. Regardless, she summoned the full power of the core as stated in plain english in the canon. Stop trying to say she did not do that.

If you read in Uncanny 166, the next issue, she was still alive after this stunt and just floating aimlessly in space in the last moments of her life until the Acanti found her.

Actually 2damn said she filtered it like Shamans Blizzard that would take time. But even if we gave her the benefit of the doubt you didn't answer the 2nd question.
How come her energy output was way less then her energy input? Input = Power of millions of stars. Output = enough energy to light up as a star for the briefest of moments?

Originally posted by Rutog98
That's easy. Obviously the energies of all of those millions of stars were crammed together to create one star. This is really desperate on your part. Also, she did not "light up like a star." That is your altering the text. A new star came into existence. Notice, after the stunt, the star was gone and we have just Ororo. So she restored the core.

Co-sign

It's getting desperate in here man.

They want me to fill nthe blanks of something I had nothing to do with 😕

😆

Originally posted by 2damnloud
It has continuity for Storm [B]to be a PF level character.

Not is 🙄 [/B]

Not until she is given a viable power source that exists before and after the big bang.

Until then Storm cannot become a PF level character.

Its all speculation until it is blatantly stated so.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Actually 2damn said she filtered it like Shamans Blizzard that would take time. But even if we gave her the benefit of the doubt you didn't answer the 2nd question.
How come her energy output was way less then her energy input? Input = Power of millions of stars. Output = enough energy to light up as a star for the briefest of moments?

You're really over analyzing.

She became a star. She crammed millions of Stars within herself.

We didn't write it.

So now, because the result wasn't spectacular enough in it's pictorial and/or description, it lessens the feat or harms the credibility of the feat???

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Actually 2damn said she filtered it like Shamans Blizzard that would take time. But even if we gave her the benefit of the doubt you didn't answer the 2nd question.
How come her energy output was way less then her energy input? Input = Power of millions of stars. Output = enough energy to light up as a star for the briefest of moments?

Because you are intentionally trying to play with words. The output and input were the same. Try reading again what I said. Here, let me spell this out for you (though the comic states very plainly that she summoned the full power of the core).

1) Storm flies in the core which contains millions of stars.

2) Storm summons all of the core to her thus a new star is born. You are intentionally misinterpreting this to think that the star that formed around her was equal to just one of the stars in the core. From the reading, the star that formed around her was a single star, yes, but it was also the summation of all of the stars in the core. The star around Storm was a single star composed of the sum of the core.

3) Why were there still stars afterwards? She either A) returned the energy. B) Those were stars that existed in the nebula the led into the core or C) It was a bad drawing and/or artistic mistake.

Bottom line is she summoned the full power of the core. You will not be able to dispute that as its plainly stated.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Let me attempt to answer you "query" with continuity.🙄

I think since Storm doesn't run roughshod over the elements. She absorded the energy of the Core, filtering it through herself enough to kill the Brood, and then releasing it from herself much the same way she Did Shaman's Blizzard. Storm is like living flesh and blood archetype/vessel of Mother nature or something from my understanding. She would just return the energy to it's place after summoning it's full power.

This would further echo what CC may have alluded to in the interview about she and Phoenix doing different things in different ways, even in the long run/future of the character where Phoenix just would eat stars, and just eat them.

It has continuity for Storm to be a PF level character.

Now argue against my conjecture and my attempt to "fill in the blanks" instead of arguing canon directly🙄

Do we believe what the writer writes or what the artist portrays?

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Over-analyzation.

First is was sematics of "full power."

Originally posted by Rutog98
That's easy. Obviously the energies of all of those millions of stars were crammed together to create one star. This is really desperate on your part. Also, she did not "light up like a star." That is your altering the text. A new star came into existence. Notice, after the stunt, the star was gone and we have just Ororo. So she restored the core.

So what you're saying is ALL the energies of the millions of stars in the galactic core was crammed into ONE star that only lasted for the briefest of moments?

And then afterwards she returned all the energies back to their rightful places?

Problem, how come the stars were still present when she lit up/performed the feat? Surely all the Stars would have disappeared when she channeled all the energies into a new star.

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9628/stormandthegalaticcore29bc.jpg

Originally posted by bean_machine
Not until she is given a viable power source that exists before and after the big bang.

Until then Storm cannot become a PF level character.

Its all speculation until it is blatantly stated so.

I would say that she has been given this source. She can control the energies of all creation. The PF is life pure life force, right? Storm feeds off life force. Her powers come from her unity with life and her ability to tap into those resources hence that how she was able to tap into the galactic core.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
So what you're saying is ALL the energies of the millions of stars in the galactic core was crammed into ONE star that only lasted for the briefest of moments?

And then afterwards she returned all the energies back to their rightful places?

Problem, how come the stars were still present when she lit up/performed the feat?

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9628/stormandthegalaticcore29bc.jpg

Look, I really don't care. The fact is you are being ridiculous here. The text said that she summoned the full power of the core. If the artist did a bad job in portraying that, oh, well. We know from the text how much power she wielded. Your antics here are really desperate. You're going so far to even state that she "lit up like a star" to try and minimize it anymore when the text cleary states that a star was born.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Your attempt to fill in the blanks has nothing to do with the question.

Do we believe what the writer writes or what the artist portrays?

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Now argue against my conjecture and my attempt to "fill in the blanks" instead of arguing canon directly

Damn, I must be psychic 🙄

You asked why is the energy still there.

Originally posted by Rutog98
That's easy. Obviously the energies of all of those millions of stars were crammed together to create one star. This is really desperate on your part. Also, she did not "light up like a star." That is your altering the text. A new star came into existence. Notice, after the stunt, the star was gone and we have just Ororo. So she restored the core.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Damn, I must be psychic 🙄

You asked why is the energy still there.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Look, I really don't care. The fact is you are being ridiculous here. The text said that she summoned the full power of the core. If the artist did a bad job in portraying that, oh, well. We know from the text how much power she wielded.

So you want us to assume that the energies of the Galactic Core was crammed into a star that lastest the briefest of moments. Got it 😉 .

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Oh crap, that's ridiculous. I can't imagine anyone trying to use that excuse without starting it with "Maaaaaybee" and ending it with a huge shrug.

Look, honestly, I think its really just bad artwork to explain the text and what happened in the story. I am merely trying to give alternatives to what I think really is bad art that is the culprit. That said, she summoned the full power of the core. That is indisputable as its stated in plain english.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
So what you're saying is ALL the energies of the millions of stars in the galactic core was crammed into ONE star that only lasted for the briefest of moments?

And then afterwards she returned all the energies back to their rightful places?

Problem, how come the stars were still present when she lit up/performed the feat? Surely all the Stars would have disappeared when she channeled all the energies into a new star.

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9628/stormandthegalaticcore29bc.jpg

Sh summoned the CORE, not the whole Milky Way.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
So you want us to assume that the energies of the Galactic Core was crammed into a star that lastest the briefest of moments. Got it 😉 .

That is what comes from the text. She summoned the full power of the core and a new star was born. Hence, that star was the summation of the core. If you don't like it, too bad. She summoned the full power of the core as stated in the passage.

What you are doing is trying your darndest to say that she did not really summon the full power of the core eventhough the issue stated in plain english that she did. This is why I don't give credence to you or Swanky Tuna or take anything you say with anything more than a grain of salt.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Look, honestly, I think its really just bad artwork to explain the text and what happened in the story. I am merely trying to give alternatives to what I think really is bad art that is the culprit. That said, she summoned the full power of the core. That is indisputable as its stated in plain english.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
The artwork is just as canon as the text. I don't think we'll ever agree on which is more true: what we see or what we're told.

LOL! This is both ridiculous and desperate. The artist is supposed to draw the art to depict the text, not the other way around. Heck, in "Civil War" recently, Clor was a clone of Thor. He was not a robot or anything, yet in the final issue of Civil War, he was drawn like an android when Hercules bashed him up. Brevoort stated on a board that he was not a robot but a clone. Again, bad artwork.

You are not going to rob Storm of this. Even the official handbook put out by marvel stated that she channeled all of the steller energy.

If you want to feel better, you can go with one of my or 2Loud's other alternatives to bad artwork. You are just too happy to try and take this away from her. Won't happen as long as I'm around.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He can over power her control of EM can render her all but powerless.

He can hide behind his shield and shoot bits of metal through her skull as mach speeds.

He cannot overpwer her control of EM. She controls far too much of it. She could render him powerless first based off her raw power alone, but I don't want to argue either character rendering the other powerless. That said, all he can do is throw metal at her. She can do far more to him. Her winds are FAR more forceful than his magnetism. Sienna Blaze>>>>>>>>>>>Magneto.

Heck, in one of her lesser moments, her winds alone put a HUGE strain on MAgneto's powers.

WOW.....JUST WOW😱