Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Nope that's Magneto once he regained his powers after losing it in the Twelve arc. He rejuvenated his damaged dna and that was his set power level after that.Unless you're talking about the Satellites which have nothing to do with his beyond Global range.
Yea, I'm talking about the satellites. It should be nothing for him to manipulate the satelites.
I'm talking about how he became one with whole spectrum and was feeling everyone and everyhting. He was DIRECTLY tapping into that kind of power WITH tech though.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
It's not like Storm hasn't had a plot device involved in her global feats. eg Sentinel tech and Rachel Grey.
True to a point, but keep in mind that the sentinel weapon was not designed to enhance her mutant abilities. Storm somehow tapped into an outside energy source to increase her range to a global scale, while Magneto usually needs a machine specifically designed to his energy signature to do the samething.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Anyway here's another one(Not his planetary EMP)http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/949/hrpage171fq.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/1420/hrpage188on.jpg
Don't get me wrong, I not saying Magneto couldn't affect the world with his powers, it just that I've notice that lot of his big feat require a machine. Even in the two pics you posted, he is only affecting a small hemisphere of the planet. (Still one of my favorite feats by Mags)
Anyway that's all I had to say about this subject. 😉
Originally posted by HandOfFate
True to a point, but keep in mind that the sentinel weapon was not designed to enhance her mutant abilities. Storm somehow tapped into an outside energy source to increase her range to a global scale, while Magneto usually needs a machine specifically designed to his energy signature to do the samething.
Even so tech was still involved, it would still be considered a feat where she would need the tech to re-perform.
Don't get me wrong, I not saying Magneto couldn't affect the world with his powers, it just that I've notice that lot of his big feat require a machine. Even in the two pics you posted, he is only affecting a small hemisphere of the planet. (Still one of my favorite feats by Mags)Anyway that's all I had to say about this subject. 😉
Well considering they're in Genosha which is located somewhere on the East Coast of Africa, and Magneto repostioned one of the 37 satellites so it was set to fire right on top of Seattle, I wouldn't go as far to call it a small hemisphere of the planet. Also the satellites were positioned to fire across cities all across the world(Confirmed by IronMan) I think it's safe to say the range itself was Global. Well beyond Global seeing how the satellites are located outside the Earths Biosphere. 😬
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
It's not like Storm hasn't had a plot device involved in her global feats. eg Sentinel tech and Rachel Grey.Anyway here's another one(Not his planetary EMP)
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/949/hrpage171fq.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/1420/hrpage188on.jpg
This is not true. In the sentinel tech thing, Storm's powers were not enhanced. She merely used the energies there (as that tech shot gamma rays into the sun which triggered the blast) as well as the resources of the planet to deflect the solar flare that would have destroyed the planet. She manipulated the resources available to her is all (from the tech and the planet both) under her own power without any outside enhancements. When Logan said that, I saw it as him saying that without the added resources of that machine, there may not have been enough resources available to Storm for her to deflect the sun blast. However, her powers were not enhanced. She was not hooked up to that machine nor was it a weather enhancer or an enhancer of any sort. So she manipulated all of that energy on her own. Magneto cannot approach this.
Magneto doing the thing in your scan is not global at all. Those scans may prove that he can reach across the globe, but he cannot affect the entire globe via his powers like Storm can.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakWell considering they're in Genosha which is located somewhere on the East Coast of Africa, and Magneto repostioned one of the 37 satellites so it was set to fire right on top of Seattle, I wouldn't go as far to call it a small hemisphere of the planet. Also the satellites were positioned to fire across cities all across the world(Confirmed by IronMan) I think it's safe to say the range itself was Global. Well beyond Global seeing how the satellites are located outside the Earths Biosphere. 😬
Again, this is referring to reach. He has a large reach, but he cannot affect that much volume.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
If Storm is written to go even be a challenge for Surfer, then he will have been robbed of the same respect you claim Storm to not have considering everything he's done. You want to take into account every single thing Storm has ever done (even if she's only done it once) as an ability of hers with her capable of repeating at will. You also factor in what MAY be abilities of hers based on her potential. What about Surfer? If you take into account everything he's ever done and what he can potentially do, his abilities FAR exceed hers.
This is not true. It depends on how Storm is written and what she is shown able to do. She has a LARGE resevoir of untapped power and her powers have been called "near-infinite" in canon even when she was not at her full potential.
Originally posted by bean_machine
Storm was in potentail to a Jean incarnation of Phoenix. After the retcon it was discovered that Jean taps into the PF.After this retcon Storm < Phoenix.
There is no proof that Storm can take Phoenix. There is lots of proof as to what Phoenix can do to Storm.
It is not cannot for Storm to access energies reserved for future generations. So the amount of energy that Storm can access will always be less than PF, therefore PF owns Storm. Prove to me otherwise.
No. When Storm was written at that level, it was stated in canon that Pheonix's powers were second only to the Creator and that she dwarfed the threat of even Galactus. This is all in the Dark Phoenix Saga prior to the retcon.
Originally posted by Rutog98And yet, this is so irrelevent since Storm is nowhere near that level.
No. When Storm was written at that level, it was stated in canon that Pheonix's powers were second only to the Creator and that she dwarfed the threat of even Galactus. This is all in the Dark Phoenix Saga prior to the retcon.
Galactus even has better feats than her bestest pis feat that you can come up with.
Also, the threat of Galactus is that he eats planets. So, it is nothing for anyone to dwarf his threat, and it tells nothing of his power.
Phoenix wanted to destroy everything or something along those lines.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
And you have on panel proof of this, yes? That her life force is directly sustained by the Phoenix Force?
No. Her life force is sustained by the life force of the universe. The universei's life force, Phoenix's life force and Ororo's life force are all tied in together.
Originally posted by Rutog98Tell me in any comic, show scans, and whatnot, where you get this bullshit.
No. Her life force is sustained by the life force of the universe. The universei's life force, Phoenix's life force and Ororo's life force are all tied in together.
Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
And yet, this is so irrelevent since Storm is nowhere near that level.Galactus even has better feats than her bestest pis feat that you can come up with.
Also, the threat of Galactus is that he eats planets. So, it is nothing for anyone to dwarf his threat, and it tells nothing of his power.
Phoenix wanted to destroy everything or something along those lines.
Storm has no PIS feats save for the ones that downplay her. The problem you have is you feel that she should not be on those levels. Its too bad. She was there from the get-go. This is the classic Storm character here. You do not get the right to decide how powerful a character should be. CC, in interviews, told us that Storm has the power of a goddess. He even stated this in canon. Her powers have been called "near-infinite" and compared with the Phoenix, from the very beginning, she was able to control cosmic forces, she has controlled the full power of millions of stars, etc. Then you have the Trion thing.
That said, there are MANY instances where Storm displayed power levels MUCH greater than Magneto. I can think of at least a dozen story arcs right off the bat.
Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Tell me in any comic, show scans, and whatnot, where you get this bullshit.
Otherwise, you're just bullshitting.
Did you read the scans where she summoned the full power of millions of stars? Read what she says on the page before she summons them...
Life energies empowers and sustains Ororo.
Originally posted by Rutog98She has about 100 feats that are supposedly pis, and yet she has three or so feats that are her only good ones... good logic.
Storm has no PIS feats save for the ones that downplay her. The problem you have is you feel that she should not be on those levels. Its too bad. She was there from the get-go. This is the classic Storm character here. You do not get the right to decide how powerful a character should be. CC, in interviews, told us that Storm has the power of a goddess. He even stated this in canon. Her powers have been called "near-infinite" and compared with the Phoenix, from the very beginning, she was able to control cosmic forces, she has controlled the full power of millions of stars, etc. Then you have the Trion thing.That said, there are MANY instances where Storm displayed power levels MUCH greater than Magneto. I can think of at least a dozen story arcs right off the bat.
Also, I already said that Galactus has higher feats than her highest showing... dur!
Also, Thanos has "near-infinite" powers too, but for some reason, that didn't cut it when either you or other dumbass said that she could beat him.
I don't care about Magneto, I don't even care if she could beat him or not, it's when you say she can defeat Galactus, is when you drive your mastubation inspiration too far.
Originally posted by Rutog98Life energies empower everyone in the universe... Howard the Duck is empowered by life's energies... he obviously has the same power source as Phoenix too.
Did you read the scans where she summoned the full power of millions of stars? Read what she says on the page before she summons them...Life energies empowers and sustains Ororo.
Originally posted by WorldWarHulkShe has about 100 feats that are supposedly pis, and yet she has three or so feats that are her only good ones... good logic.No. Honestly, she usually holds back and use the lower end of her power. Magneto even stated in canon that she holds back and could beat him otherwise. I don't see what is so hard to grasp. A lot of this has to also do with the writer's conception of the character. During the Kelly/Lobdell/Seagle era, they did not see her the same way as CC. However, CC wrote the vast majority of the character's continuity. There are only about 8 years of so that works in your favor. The rest of the continuity works in my favor and 2loud's. CC stated in interviews what he felt Ororo's power levels were and he showed it in canon. Occassionally, she spiked up and we get a glimpse of what she can truly do. He said that her power is more than just making hurricanes in an interview and we saw her summon the summon the full power of the core after that interview.
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Also, I already said that Galactus has higher feats than her highest showing... dur!
This means nothing as we have not seen yet what Storm's highest level is. She summoned the full power of millions of stars and that was not even the limit of her power. That was easy for her. She EASILY overpowered the Trion as well. Now why doesn't she show this kind of power more often? I'll tell you why: look at the villains she faces. She battles Pyro, Mystique, the Inner Circle, etc. Worse, she is in a team dynamic when she fights these characters. Therefore, she will not always display these power levels. If Silver Surfer joined the X-Men and the team fought the same old villains as always, his powers would be written down as well often. The lady's power is up there with the PF. The only thing that keeps her unlimited power in check is her humanity. This is canon and the point of the Rougestorm arc.
Also, Thanos has "near-infinite" powers too, but for some reason, that didn't cut it when either you or other dumbass said that she could beat him.
Yeah, but he's no Phoenix-level character. Storm is.
I don't care about Magneto, I don't even care if she could beat him or not, it's when you say she can defeat Galactus, is when you drive your mastubation inspiration too far.
Honestly, if a writer wanted her to beat Galactus, they could have her do it. It may trigger an evolution of the character, but it can be done. She would have to draw upon an ENORMOUS amount of power for this fight which could cause her to evolve. That is how she evolved in the Rougestorm arc. She tapped into a lot of power and absorbed it. She did this without thinking of consequences and she set her humanity aside (the very thing that keeps her infinite power in check) and it caused her to evolve.
Life energies empower everyone in the universe... Howard the Duck is empowered by life's energies... he obviously has the same power source as Phoenix too.
Not like Ororo, though. It fuels her power. Put Howard the Duck in a star and lets see what happens. For Storm, she will only get stronger. It would kill him...and Magneto.[/B]
