U.S. Soldiers can be criminals too...

It's getting to me how these soldiers out there serving in Iraq are revered as heroes despite the fact that few have sinned enough to be condemned to either prison or hell. Sure they are brave and they are fighting for the freedom of this country, the U.S., but has anyone stopped and thought of the special treatment some garner?

Don't get me wrong, most soldiers out there serving our trustful men and women who lead good lives, but others see it nothing as an escape from life. The gov. is funding kill tactics to would be gangbangers. They return to the states with a newfound look on killing.

Just a thought among many...

I think war in general is wrong. So much death for so little reason. Hopefully this all ends with the next election or we may end up seeing a WW3!

Originally posted by Scythe
[b]It's getting to me how these soldiers out there serving in Iraq are revered as heroes despite the fact that few have sinned enough to be condemned to either prison or hell. Sure they are brave and they are fighting for the freedom of this country, the U.S., but has anyone stopped and thought of the special treatment some garner?

Don't get me wrong, most soldiers out there serving our trustful men and women who lead good lives, but others see it nothing as an escape from life. The gov. is funding kill tactics to would be gangbangers. They return to the states with a newfound look on killing.

Just a thought among many... [/B]

...and all soldiers do is shoot shit all day... 🙄

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
I think war in general is wrong. So much death for so little reason. Hopefully this all ends with the next election or we may end up seeing a WW3!

Originally posted by Alliance
Yeah...because we're so damn close...

Don't get me wrong, most soldiers out there serving our trustful men and women who lead good lives, but others see it nothing as an escape from life. The gov. is funding kill tactics to would be gangbangers. They return to the states with a newfound look on killing.

Just a thought among many...[/center] [/B]

Little harsh, huh? Don't forget that some of them go to war just to rack up some karma points with no real intention of a self-revalation. Morally, does that make them better than any one civilian?

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
blinding insight there...
the best part is, they are better citizens than you are.

Little harsh, huh? Don't forget that some of them go to war just to rack up some karma points with no real intention of a self-revalation. Morally, does that make them better than any one civilian? [/B][/QUOTE]

In my personal opinionalon this one major dimension, yes...albeit, barely.

Originally posted by Alliance
Little harsh, huh? Don't forget that some of them go to war just to rack up some karma points with no real intention of a self-revalation. Morally, does that make them better than any one civilian?

In my personal opinionalon this one major dimension, yes...albeit, barely. [/B][/QUOTE]

I suppose I can't change your opinion, but would you please explain your reasoning on the topic?

In cliche form..actions speak louder than words...or did you want more than that?

Originally posted by Alliance
In cliche form..actions speak louder than words...or did you want more than that?

😄 More would be nice, if you don't mind?

I could just send you part of a paper I wrote on it.

The military is the backbone of democracy...always has been. Citizen-soldiers are the most powerful testament to core democratic beliefs. The state and the military are inseperable; they are the guardians of the state.

In the context of modern nationalism, there is no more effective way at creating a basic level of unity than a properly structured mandatory service. It can a sense of pan-identity centered around the preeservation of democracy.

Why should you recieve the benefits of the state if you would not serve it? In my opinon, franchisement should be based on service, not on birthright.

That was abstract and i feel very sick, so I don't think I'm speaking clearly.

Personally, the US judicial system is made up of mass conservative bigots and secretive government officials. It's the reason gays aren't allowed in the miltery and that our president has the combined IQ of a raisin and a dougnut... that and the fact that the votes are rigged to the point we have William Hungs and Madonnas winning American Idol...

Hope you feel better

I find it sad that political dialogue in the United States is limited by the 'Support the Troops' logic. Don't speak out against the war, you'll hurt the troops! Etc, etc. The military has become one of the greatest internal political tools of our time.

And if the army finally realizes its true intention by recruiting evryone into the army, who'll there be to protect?

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Personally, the US judicial system is made up of mass conservative bigots and secretive government officials. It's the reason gays aren't allowed in the miltery and that our president has the combined IQ of a raisin and a dougnut... that and the fact that the votes are rigged to the point we have William Hungs and Madonnas winning American Idol...

Say what you want, but the system has always been worse, and continued government reforms improve it. You're asking officials to be spotless in a world where pulling strings is a hell of a more effective way to govern.

But thats antoher story. Our government changes. And the military has nothing to do with the president in power.

You forget that the US military was the first body to desegregate in the US, that went a long way towards enforcing social change. I honestly would expect the DADT policy to end within years...if not before the end of this administration, despite how awkward that may seem. That, if it happens, will again promote social change. Has it been overdue? Hell yes, Clinton tried to do it, but you can thank our good friend Colin Powell for mounting and leading the command-heavy counterattack that ended in DADT.

Originally posted by Ymir
I find it sad that political dialogue in the United States is limited by the 'Support the Troops' logic. Don't speak out against the war, you'll hurt the troops! Etc, etc. The military has become one of the greatest internal political tools of our time.

Its always been this way...hell, look at the period after the civil war. The whole tactic was called "waving the bloody shirt" and was nothign compared to the practice now.

The military is political, why? Because the military is the state and proping up the military is a way to show nationalism.

Is it wrong, yes. F*cks like me who hve never served really shouldn't be commenting. The military sohuld be respected as a branc of government, but the politics of 9-11 far surpassed the "you're hurting the troops mentality" which is nothign historically.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
And if the army finally realizes its true intention by recruiting evryone into the army, who'll there be to protect?

i never knew being in the army implied you were in it for life.

Originally posted by Alliance
Say what you want, but the system has always been worse, and continued government reforms improve it. You're asking officials to be spotless in a world where pulling strings is a hell of a more effective way to govern.

But thats antoher story. Our government changes. And the military has nothing to do with the president in power.

You forget that the US military was the first body to desegregate in the US, that went a long way towards enforcing social change. I honestly would expect the DADT policy to end within years...if not before the end of this administration, despite how awkward that may seem. That, if it happens, will again promote social change. Has it been overdue? Hell yes, Clinton tried to do it, but you can thank our good friend Colin Powell for mounting and leading the command-heavy counterattack that ended in DADT.

Very well put, but seeing how long it took for segregation to end it's reign how quickly do you really expect these "social changes" to take effect?

Not quickly at all, but I'd rather move forward slowly than not move forward at all.

Many soldiers are already "out" in the army, at least to some of thier peers. Tolerance is higher than you'd think. It'd be much easier than desegregation. Social change has started without the services anyway, but wearing a uniform is a fricking powerful symbol.

Why should you recieve the benefits of the state if you would not serve it? In my opinon, franchisement should be based on service, not on birthright.

Originally posted by Alliance
...and all soldiers do is shoot shit all day... 🙄

Yeah, really. My cousin-in-law's in his 4th stint in Afghanistan and he said he's encountered enemy fire only a couple of times, and it sounded more like someone shooting off fireworks miles away from their camp in the middle of the night.

most soldiers are dumn brainwased right wing PATRIOTS, who understand nothing about how their country operates, backed by the need for money in backwater southern communities ravaged by the not so pretty side of the amercian economy that no1 seems to wanna show. out lookin for a buck and cause its considered an HONOURABLE profession to join the army. relying on their AMERICAN WAY, they blast up the "dumn, backward, infidel terrorists, while listenin to some angry rock{or girl music whichever they choose}. id best not comment on how indiscriminate most of them actually are while killing and what treatment they make prisoners{most with no reason to be made prisoners at all} go through, or the fact that they dont really give a damn about liberation of other countries.

lol, ofcourse thas not every1, but the vast{and increasingly so} majority of US troops. {probably wudnt include medics n such}. whole number percentages of afghani and iraqi CITIZENS have been entirely wiped out thanks to them.not to mention almost all infrastructure.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
most soldiers are dumn brainwased right wing PATRIOTS, who understand nothing about how their country operates, backed by the need for money in backwater southern communities ravaged by the not so pretty side of the amercian economy that no1 seems to wanna show. out lookin for a buck and cause its considered an HONOURABLE profession to join the army. relying on their AMERICAN WAY, they blast up the "dumn, backward, infidel terrorists, while listenin to some angry rock{or girl music whichever they choose}. id best not comment on how indiscriminate most of them actually are while killing and what treatment they make prisoners{most with no reason to be made prisoners at all} go through, or the fact that they dont really give a damn about liberation of other countries.

At first glance I thought this dude was quoting some stand-up comedian. At second glance I realized he did a poor job of backing up Bardocky's statement in the abortion thread.