U.S. Soldiers can be criminals too...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
im not calling every 1 dum. i lost a good friend, two actually. an american soldier and a medic both in iraq. still, there are only two motivation factors for joining the american military, ignorance{and brainwashing leading to patriotis}, or need of money. they do intermingle but i do know that almost a majority joins for the first reason, while the second is an added bonus. even so many are turned by the military from normal men to dutiful, order following soldiers who are often cruel, disreguard people other than americans and generally feal good doing it{all with america's significant, fractional obsession with violence, ethnocentrism etc}. im not insinuating that every is like that in the society or the organisation but specially in the military, a vast{and exponentially increasing percentage} have no problem at all in doing anything morally wrong{i mean, killing, raping, having non altruistic motives, disreguarding the rights and value of others.}

Why support troops more than other people? What they're doing is a career based on killing, they are no more brave than the ones they are fighting, in fact probably not as brave. Respect should be reserved for those who deserve it and in my mind, those who seek a career in which spilling blood is the target; deserve no respect.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Why support troops more than other people? What they're doing is a career based on killing, they are no more brave than the ones they are fighting, in fact probably not as brave. Respect should be reserved for those who deserve it and in my mind, those who seek a career in which spilling blood is the target; deserve no respect.

You're ignoring the fact the those "careers" are necessarily for a functioning society to exist; soldiers do more than just "spill blood". Where would your society (UK) be without your fighting men and women?

How many unreported rape, murders and acts of vandalism and hatred do you think occur out there where US troops are stationed?

Originally posted by Robtard
You're ignoring the fact the those "careers" are necessarily for a functioning society to exist; soldiers do more than just "spill blood". Where would your society (UK) be without your fighting men and women?

In necessary wars, which this one isn't, it's a different story. Rarely is there a necessary war. At the moment if we withdrew soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan I don't feel it would make much of a difference to our society.

Originally posted by Scythe
How many unreported rape, murders and acts of vandalism and hatred do you think occur out there where US troops are stationed?

I don't know exact numbers for "unreported" crimes, do you? Also, the actions of the few don't (or shouldn't) speak for the many.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
In necessary wars, which this one isn't, it's a different story. Rarely is there a necessary war. At the moment if we withdrew soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan I don't feel it would make much of a difference to our society.

I wasn't strictly talking about the Iraq War, in general, soldiers are a necessary part of society. Therefore, a margin of respect should be given to those who choose to serve and possibly die if a war were to break out; especially from those who would go out of their way not to serve their country.

Who's to say; though it probably wouldn't.

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't know exact numbers for "unreported" crimes, do you?

That being my entire point. One doesn't know how many unreported accounts of crimes goes on because just that, they go unreported! I've misplaced my trust on US soldiers, just as I've misplaced my trust on police officers. I'm just stating that it pains me to see the entire country go the extra mile to pamper their ever needs and direct special attention to them.

Originally posted by Robtard
Also, the actions of the few don't (or shouldn't) speak for the many.

And I am speaking out for the few. Not the many.

Originally posted by Scythe
That being my entire point. One doesn't know how many unreported accounts of crimes goes on because just that, they go unreported! I've misplaced my trust on US soldiers, just as I've misplaced my trust on police officers. I'm just stating that it pains me to see the entire country go the extra mile to pamper their ever needs and direct special attention to them.

And I am speaking out for the few. Not the many.

So you don't know how many crimes are committed, yet you assume the majority of soldiers are rapist, thieves and criminals?

Not sure how the country pampers them; under Bush, they're getting screwed, especially the wounded ones when it comes to medical are.

Funny thing, you'll accept the comforts that your society gives you because of it's military (a necessary part of society), yet shit on those who serve so you can have those comforts.

Originally posted by Robtard
So you don't know how many crimes are committed, yet you assume the majority of soldiers are rapist, thieves and criminals?

The majority? Of course not, it's a small figure, never the majority. I just wanted to express the fact that they exist. You would've known that I used the word 'few' several times but I guess not.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure how the country pampers them; under Bush, they're getting screwed, especially the wounded ones when it comes to medical are.

The people pamper them, not the Gov. they are two different subjects.

Originally posted by Robtard
Funny thing, you'll accept the comforts that your society gives you because of it's military (a necessary part of society), yet shit on those who serve so you can have those comforts.

I accept the comfort of wave after wave of undetermined men being thrown toward enemy gunfire quite well.

Originally posted by Scythe
The majority? Of course not, it's a small figure, never the majority. I just wanted to express the fact that they exist. You would've known that I used the word 'few' several times but I guess not.

The people pamper them, not the Gov. they are two different subjects.

I accept the comfort of wave after wave of undetermined men being thrown toward enemy gunfire quite well.

So what's the problem then? There are bad apples in every bunch, just the way things are; it's unfortunate. Since we've debated, you've used the word "few" once; you're wording wasn't clear.

If people "pamper" them, it's probably out of gratitude for noted reasons.

Now, who's @sshole did you pull those stats out of? "Wave after wave of undetermined men"... Remember, our military is not mandatory, it's volunteer. Also, considering we've been at war for 5 year, the soldier body count is rather low, thankfully.

Originally posted by Robtard
So what's the problem then? There are bad apples in every bunch, just the way things are; it's unfortunate. Since we've debated, you've used the word "few" once.

If people "pamper" them, it's probably out of gratitude for noted reasons.

Now, who's @sshole did you pull those stats out of? "Wave after wave of undetermined men"... Remember, our military is not mandatory, it's volunteer. Also, considering we've been at war for 5 year, the soldier body count is rather low, thankfully.

You have a very short fuse. Your first statement is all I was trying to point out to everyone. And I could've sworn I used the word 'few' a 'few' more times, but meh, not important.

Wave after wave of undetermined men seems to be the principal thought of all who consider signing up. Along with the war being a crime within itself. It's just what I keep hearing. I for one, much like you, do understand the military is completely volenteer. Well, that is until they start drafting. Which I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

Originally posted by Ymir

Personally, I'll just love the day when the Middle East runs out of oil.

the vast majority of american oil does not originate in the middle east

Originally posted by inimalist
the vast majority of american oil does not originate in the middle east

Hence, my annoyance at the prices

Originally posted by chithappens
Hence, my annoyance at the prices

i ****ing hear that

It costs a lot less than it does here.

Originally posted by Scythe
You have a very short fuse. Your first statement is all I was trying to point out to everyone. And I could've sworn I used the word 'few' a 'few' more times, but meh, not important.

Wave after wave of undetermined men seems to be the principal thought of all who consider signing up. Along with the war being a crime within itself. It's just what I keep hearing. I for one, much like you, do understand the military is completely volenteer. Well, that is until they start drafting. Which I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

And the draft will not return. It was defeated by an overwhelming majority in 2005, I believe it was.

Originally posted by Kinneary
I don't even know hat you mean by "wave after wave of undetermined men seems to be the principal thought of all who consider signing up.' Does that mean that we're all undetermined? Or that people are joining because others are undetermined? I really don't understand.

And the draft will not return. It was defeated by an overwhelming majority in 2005, I believe it was.

What I mean is all these soldiers are dying and hardly anyone reacts to it. It's like they might as well be undetermined people. Do you get what I'm saying?

Oh and the draft will return. I'm almost sure it will.

Originally posted by backdoorman
What the hell? Perhaps people should receive the benefits of the state because they pay taxes?

They do, that doesn't mean they have a right to be franchised.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
most soldiers are dumn brainwased right wing PATRIOTS, who understand nothing about how their country operates, backed by the need for money in backwater southern communities ravaged by the not so pretty side of the amercian economy that no1 seems to wanna show. out lookin for a buck and cause its considered an HONOURABLE profession to join the army. relying on their AMERICAN WAY, they blast up the "dumn, backward, infidel terrorists, while listenin to some angry rock{or girl music whichever they choose}. id best not comment on how indiscriminate most of them actually are while killing and what treatment they make prisoners{most with no reason to be made prisoners at all} go through, or the fact that they don’t really give a damn about liberation of other countries.

lol, ofcourse thas not every1, but the vast{and increasingly so} majority of US troops. {probably wudnt include medics n such}. whole number percentages of afghani and iraqi CITIZENS have been entirely wiped out thanks to them.not to mention almost all infrastructure.

How long have you been doing stand up?

No one denies that there are some psychos that use the system as a shadow...If everyone served, we could raise our standards for service. The guys with problems don't get enough help either.

They are still an extreme minority.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's of course being a little 1-Dimensional. There are many jobs just as useful as being a soldier. That the army on the whole is perhaps necessary for a country to function (not factually) does not make it reasonable to get everyone to serve it. That would certainly be against all ideals of a free country. And of course there are much more important institutions (non-state institutions even) that have to be considered more important to the live the citizens are leading as well as the existence and importance of the nation itself.

Originally posted by Bardock42
On a different note, I am sure you feel not as strongly when people comment on the President being dumb (factually), the Supreme Court being biased or the Congress doing shit.

Why should this particular branch, be singled out? Why can't you comment and criticize them?

I've never been Chancellor of Germany, I will still call her a **** if she does something I feel is wrong.

I'm not against criticism of the military. I myself criticize it. I'm against ignorant criticism. I also don't believe that you can truly understand something from an outside perspective. There is constructive, educated criticism, but the most credible and powerful is that from within.

My assessment of the situation may be totally wrong, but I remain a hypocrite because at this point, I'm not willing to ballsy up.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Why support troops more than other people? What they're doing is a career based on killing, they are no more brave than the ones they are fighting, in fact probably not as brave. Respect should be reserved for those who deserve it and in my mind, those who seek a career in which spilling blood is the target; deserve no respect.

The only people who don't deserve respect are the ignorant.

"Carrer based on killing" do you know anything about the military? Not war movies...the MILITARY.

Originally posted by Scythe
How many unreported rape, murders and acts of vandalism and hatred do you think occur out there where US troops are stationed?

Probably about the same as everywhere else.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
In necessary wars, which this one isn't, it's a different story. Rarely is there a necessary war. At the moment if we withdrew soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan I don't feel it would make much of a difference to our society.

Because you're myopic? isolationist? Define "necessary" WWII wasn't that important either. Germany was never going to invade. And WWII was the greatest force in American culture in the 20th Century.

Originally posted by Scythe
wave after wave of undetermined men being thrown toward enemy gunfire

🤨 Do you have a point?

Originally posted by Scythe What I mean is all these soldiers are dying and hardly anyone reacts to it. It's like they might as well be undetermined people. Do you get what I'm saying?

Oh and the draft will return. I'm almost sure it will.

Originally posted by Kinneary
All these people are dying and no one cares? There are news reports every day of the people who die. Fatalities are lower in this war than in any other war we've ever fought, and people treat this as if it's worse than the Civil War.

Of course it's in the news, that's their damn job! trying askin' around, America's youth doesn't care that there are fatalities. That's my point, compare the death toll to that of WW I, back when the soldier's death actually seemed to matter. The whole country was willing to sacrifice for the soldiers, now look at society.

Originally posted by Kinneary
The draft was voted on in 2003. It lost 402-2. It's [b]not coming back. [/B]

There's still time.