U.S. Soldiers can be criminals too...

Started by Robtard7 pages

Originally posted by Scythe
You have a very short fuse. Your first statement is all I was trying to point out to everyone. And I could've sworn I used the word 'few' a 'few' more times, but meh, not important.

Wave after wave of undetermined men seems to be the principal thought of all who consider signing up. Along with the war being a crime within itself. It's just what I keep hearing. I for one, much like you, do understand the military is completely volenteer. Well, that is until they start drafting. Which I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

Don't play that silly tactic "You're angry and emotional"... I am either, this is an Internet board. My first statement here was "Soldiers are a necessary part of society", that is a fact for better or worse, so what's to point out? Also, if you realize the soldiers committing criminal acts are a small minority in the whole of the armed services, what's your beef with "not trusting" them? Just curious as you never answered.

Are you a psychic, you somehow can glean that people sign up knowing they're going to die for certain and for no reason? I have a feeling that all who sign up are aware of the risk and accept it's a dangerous job, especially during a war, but think "it won't happen to me", and they sign up for others reasons instead of being 'cannon fodder' as you seem to think.

Originally posted by Schecter

look, dispite the squawkings of certain people i think the argument really is simply that u.s. soldiers must be held accountable for war crimes. its not an attack on our troops. would you want to be in a platoon with some wacko who shot up a family and raped their corpses?

That goes without saying; anyone who isn't factually a nut or a troll would agree with that, a criminal is a criminal, regardless of nationality.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Neither China nor India are signatories to the Rome ICC statute as far as I recall. Multiple other nations have yet to ratify the ICC.

The US has signed and ratified the Geneva Conventions iirc, violation of which would amount to war crimes.


True. However that is on their own accord.

America has a lobby which makes other countries sign agreements by which they swear not to take any of their citizens to court, while systematically sending those countries citizens to International Court.

India and China do not send other countries citizens to International Court. America does.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
India and China do not send other countries citizens to International Court. America does.

Sweet.

Originally posted by Robtard
Don't play that silly tactic "You're angry and emotional"... I am either, this is an Internet board. My first statement here was "Soldiers are a necessary part of society", that is a fact for better or worse, so what's to point out? Also, if you realize the soldiers committing criminal acts are a small minority in the whole of the armed services, what's your beef with "not trusting" them? Just curious as you never answered.

I know it's ignorant, but that small figure of minorities who commit horrific acts is well enough for me to place mistrust on them. Sorry, what can I say, I'm blind and ignorant.

As long as you recognize that, then we're fine.

Originally posted by Scythe
I know it's ignorant, but that small figure of minorities who commit horrific acts is well enough for me to place mistrust on them. Sorry, what can I say, I'm blind and ignorant.

Well, a minority of Germans committed some horrific acts once, and I can't trust German people now.

I saw a black guy rob a jewelry store on TV once, I guess I can't trust black people either?

And I saw a Spanish guy stab some guy on TV because he wanted his wallet, I guess I shouldn't trust Latinos and Spanish people?

White people enslaved African Americans for hundreds of years, I certainly can't trust them.

I heard of a woman who cut her husbands genitals off, I certainly can't trust women.

A small minority of Muslims are terrorists, and I DEFINITELY can't trust them.

A few Italians are in the Mafia, can't trust them either.

In fact, there's a few mafias in Asia too, guess I can't trust them. Out of 4 billion Asians, how many do you think are involved in organized crime?

God damn those human beings, every once in a while one of them kills another. I CAN'T EVEN TRUST ANY PEOPLE NOW!

Do you see my point?

Originally posted by J-Beowulf
Well, a minority of Germans committed some horrific acts once, and I can't trust German people now.

I saw a black guy rob a jewelry store on TV once, I guess I can't trust black people either?

And I saw a Spanish guy stab some guy on TV because he wanted his wallet, I guess I shouldn't trust Latinos and Spanish people?

White people enslaved African Americans for hundreds of years, I certainly can't trust them.

I heard of a woman who cut her husbands genitals off, I certainly can't trust women.

A small minority of Muslims are terrorists, and I DEFINITELY can't trust them.

A few Italians are in the Mafia, can't trust them either.

In fact, there's a few mafias in Asia too, guess I can't trust them. Out of 4 billion Asians, how many do you think are involved in organized crime?

God damn those human beings, every once in a while one of them kills another. I CAN'T EVEN TRUST ANY PEOPLE NOW!

Do you see my point?

Yes, I do, and like I said, it's stupid and ignorant of me, but I stand by what I typed.

Originally posted by Alliance
leonheartmm, you're an idiot. I honestly don't know any other way to say that.

You might have valid points, especially with Palestine, but you sit there and spew it out in the context of the rest of this garbage, I'm not taking you seriously.

😂 Research doesn’t beat experience..and no one interpretation or experience is correct. Basically you know bullshit. Thanks for sharing. Also, you’ve been propagandaed (new verb, I know) into believing that the “western” (what the hell does that men anyway) media is some sort of magical propaganda machine. You just sucked up someone else’s propaganda, which makes you the idiot too and the fool for acting like you’re better.

And you can live with your damn conspiracy theories and unbased ideas about how the military’s sole purpose is to draw uncounted civilian blood, but really, you’re just puking shit all over the place. If there was an accurate way to keep track of civilian deaths in a war, it would be done. There is not...the best we have are estimates, which involve much more work than any of the “research” you have apparently tried to convince yourself you’re doing.

my sole purpose in the world is not to make every1 take me seriously. research doesnt beat experience??????? REAAAALLLLLLYYYY, if you were to ask most world war 2 veterans of the nobility of their actions and america's role in the war, the overwhelming majority{american veterans} would support it vehemently, and yet, theyd be all wrong and completely biased and outside observers, who look at the big picture and can judge the situation based on statistics, generalised reports{mean of hundreds of thousands in reality}, official/unofficial figures and the economic and political connections and motivations of the ruling class at the time would be able to give you a MUCH better and realistic picture of whats going on. if you wanna know what happening on the battlefield to ONE SIDE, ask a 1000 varied soldiers of that side. if you wanna know the battle report of the other, ask a thouasnd of the other. but things like collective motivations, trangression of general law/morals, cant be done accurately by asking soldiers. really, if a soldeir's testimnoy is all that matters, thered be no reson by any side to protest against a war wud there{seeing as the majority support it, given they get better conditions/preperation/safety/funding/benefits in the war in iraq/afghanistan. they never really question the MORALITY of their actions and america's role in the war do they.

i havent been done in by overwhelming opposite propoganda, as ur suggesting. i look at both sides of the picture, knowing both are untrue, but there are certain techniqus to figure out whose lying better/covering up more{generally its the ones in power, but stilll im not basing my oppinion just on that}. i have no love for the isalmic/middle eastern lifestyle{i hate it much more than the WESTERN one, as u call it}, i was born in it, and hated it for a long time, but sumtimes, its so bleeding clear whose lying more, if u do the RESEARCH.

im not a conspiracy theorist, never have been, watch any other MAJOR channels, outside bbc/cnn/fox/sky{not to mention the dum domestic ones}, and youll see theyv run entire STORIES, systematically explaining how the twin towers cudnt have collapsed the way they did with plain damage, showing footage and highlighting the fishy bits. but then again, i dont just believe em either, i verified it myself, for the most part, and practically and engineering studemnt can. its based on the most basic of knowledge if u know where to look. im not saying the MILITARY's sole purpose is to dray blood, HOWEVER, inthis case, the MILITARY employees many soldiers with records showing the tendancy for that kind of lifestyle and since its back drop region ruled by no1 and dominated by america, no1 will really notice. furthermore, its in the INTEREST of the united states to do so for reasons too long to explain here other there general insecurity, falsely shifting blame and chaos. those figures i quoted are VERIFYABLE deaths, im the first to say u cant know anywher close to the actual number, but 2.5 % of the entire population has been verified/identified by many study groups who undertook the investigation{and who oddly were supported by the us government in most previous research and well reputed UNTIL they gave out these results publically}. furthermore, the bush administration has been positively identified to illegally iretap and censor, enviornment reports by studies, u really think he doesnt censor or try to senselessly degrade information that he doesnt wanna get out using all his considerable powers???????? its really your choice if you wish to call other people idiots, and its your choice what u wish to believe, i the end, im just putting out what i know, ignore it if u like, i have no problems with it.

Originally posted by Scythe
Yes, I do, and like I said, it's stupid and ignorant of me, but I stand by what I typed.
That....yes...is stupid and ignorant.

Originally posted by Kinneary
Kinneary isn't only a squid, he's a green side corpsman. A marine.

And, honestly, this dude just said he met Osama. Seriously, everything you just said is now bullshit in my mind. I have no respect for you or your opinion. The .1% chance that you met Osama is not enough in my mind to make me even consider the possibility that you met him. Go away.

i did meat osama, and three other commanders. so what, it was back in 99. and my uncle is a bridagier, more people than u think have met osama, he wasnt as OUT OF BOUNDS then or as hidden as he is now{if not dead}. seriously, the dude lived in borken down houses, he was a people's person, thas why he got so much support among the average poor so quickly. you obviously wudnt know, cause u dont know much about this part of the globe. hmmm, remeber playing football with two of his smaller sons{and he had a LOT, on top of many wives which we werent allowed to see}. whats ur problem believing i did, go to the streets of peshawar, i bet you, in a single days walk youl see more than one person whose shaken hands with osama. ive lived in this country for most of my life, it isnt unheard of{ill try to post the pics if my uncle gets back}. its not like i SUPPORT osama, i was kinda young when i met him, im completely against him his relegion/philosophy now. but hey what the heck, the links still exist in this country to get in with those people, over a couple of hundred mosques here in islamabad where you cud, if u wish, get to know taliban typepeople and teachings. i live practically NEXT DOOR, to the lal masjod in islamabad, whore trying to set up a parallel relegious judiciary in this coutntry and have clashed/kidnapped/threatened beaten up people/police etc. its been goin on for more than a year and every time im goin to school n stuff, theres mobs theres, and yet if i pretend to be a good muslim, i cud go and meat the cleric who runs the place, he has definite ties to the taliban/relegious freedom fighters anywhere in the region. hes also met with many high level osama associates{possibly the man himself}, not to mention hes actually ina position of authority in so far as the taliban/other islamic militant organisations go. its EASY in this country to do stuff like that, theyr all over the place. just cause YOU dont know jack shit about this place doesnt mean no1 else does.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i did meat osama...

Dude, why didn't reach over and break his neck in a swift motion while you were pounding him? You could have claimed the million+ bounty on his head. Duh.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i did meat osama

lol you fail. now juggle.

Re: U.S. Soldiers can be criminals too...

Sure they can-no doubt. Should they be? No.

But, I'm guessing here that they're likely more human, intelligent, and honorable than soldiers from most other countries.

Let's not forget too that the US asks their soldiers to be human shields more often than any other country on this planet, including unified peacekeeping forces.

Re: Re: U.S. Soldiers can be criminals too...

Originally posted by BobbyD
Sure they can-no doubt. Should they be? No.

But, I'm guessing here that they're likely more human, intelligent, and honorable than soldiers from most other countries.

Let's not forget too that the US asks their soldiers to be human shields more often than any other country on this planet, including unified peacekeeping forces.

The second is completely unrelated to the first. And I certainly wouldn't call the US soldiers more intelligent then that of other nations, unless of course you have IQ tests of these people and compared to that in other army's.

such a study would be slanted in favor of countries with manditory military service, imho

Re: Re: Re: U.S. Soldiers can be criminals too...

Originally posted by Fishy
The second is completely unrelated to the first. And I certainly wouldn't call the US soldiers more intelligent then that of other nations, unless of course you have IQ tests of these people and compared to that in other army's.

It's a guess. 😉

Originally posted by Schecter
such a study would be slanted in favor of countries with manditory military service, imho

Only if the average IQ in the military is lower then the average IQ in the country...

Originally posted by Scythe
Yes, I do, and like I said, it's stupid and ignorant of me, but I stand by what I typed.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, why didn't reach over and break his neck in a swift motion while you were pounding him? You could have claimed the million+ bounty on his head. Duh.

umm, didnt you read the date, it was back in 1999. there WAS no bounty on his head{and i dont need a bounty to break his neck NOW, i was only around 11 or 12 at the time. reguardless of the fact that i dont believe he was responsible for the 911 attacks, ive been on the receiving end of too much relegious bullshit in this country, due to people like him}, the attacks on america took place on 911 "2001"!!
and anyway, i dont give a flyin F about bounty from a government whose a far worse terrorist than he cud ever be.