Originally posted by leonheartmm
umm, didnt you read the date, it was back in 1999. there WAS no bounty on his head{and i dont need a bounty to break his neck NOW, i was only around 11 or 12 at the time. reguardless of the fact that i dont believe he was responsible for the 911 attacks, ive been on the receiving end of too much relegious bullshit in this country, due to people like him}, the attacks on america took place on 911 "2001"!!
and anyway, i dont give a flyin F about bounty from a government whose a far worse terrorist than he cud ever be.
He's had a bounty since 1998 for the Kenya and Tanzania bombings, maybe earlier... it's currently up to 50 million U.S.D. though, so don't tell me you would care that the 50 million came from a "worse terrorist" as you say.
Originally posted by Robtard
He's had a bounty since 1998 for the Kenya and Tanzania bombings, maybe earlier... it's currently up to 50 million U.S.D. though, so don't tell me you would care that the 50 million came from a "worse terrorist" as you say.
and i wudnt have known too much about that when i was 11 wud i?{i mean, understanding the gravity of the situation} besides, i wasnt too aware at the time{since 911 had not happened} about him being a villian and all{not to mention i was also a pro islamic practicing muslim at the time}. REGUARDLESS, i dont give a flying **** about money, there are things far more valuable than that that have nuthing to do with money. never taken any pocket money form my father{cause i hate him} even when i wanted little things a whole lot. theres sumthing called DIGNITY, i dount believe people should earn money without working for it{pro liberal socialism}. furthermore, if i wanted to earn mony now, in a country as corrupt as this, there are a lot of shortcuts, but i dont in the least, that shit is the reason most people here{99%} live on less than a dollar a day. while the richer people around me, are practically BILLIONAIRES{yup, even though theyd never let it out, there are actually billionaires in pakistan, side by side with 99% of people who on the mean dont even earn a dollar a day}. heck in islamabad people drive friggin phantoms and rolls royce. fact is, in so far as money causes harm, i have no desire to take it, reguardless of the fact that u think i wudnt care about who was givin it to me, if t was 50 mil.
ON SECOND THOUGHT 😈 ........................ i cud take it, since osama is an ass hole{IF i ever get hear him again, which is practically impossible now} and take moeny away from a tyrant and use it all to influence some african government or sumthin and pull it out of corruption....hmmmm, nice, so yea, maybe id take it.
Originally posted by Kinneary
You just said "I would never take 50 million dollars, unless I were to use it to influence an African government."Your opinion is now moot. Go away.
wrong. i said id never take 50 million dollars from a terrorist/conspirater/extremist/manipulative government. if the 50 mil had no ill affects to the wrest of the world attached to it, id probably take it without much emotions either way. itd be useful{were i to use it only for myself} in buying lotsa anime/manga/music/high definiton tv/video games/comics/books/swords/martial arts lessons. plus its give me security enough in this hell hole not to be worried about any1 knockin down the wall of may apartment, and personally, thats really, about everything im interested in for myself, i have no interest in living in style and luxury.
just because YOU are so shallow as not to be able to conceptualise yourself{or others} as refusing such a materialistically lucrative offer{at the price of your soul} doesnt mean every one else{in this case me} is bought so easily.
peace out.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
dumass. no wait, BRAINWASHED, dumass.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
and i wudnt have known too much about that when i was 11 wud i?{i mean, understanding the gravity of the situation} besides, i wasnt too aware at the time{since 911 had not happened} about him being a villian and all{not to mention i was also a pro islamic practicing muslim at the time}. REGUARDLESS, i dont give a flying **** about money, there are things far more valuable than that that have nuthing to do with money. never taken any pocket money form my father{cause i hate him} even when i wanted little things a whole lot. theres sumthing called DIGNITY, i dount believe people should earn money without working for it{pro liberal socialism}. furthermore, if i wanted to earn mony now, in a country as corrupt as this, there are a lot of shortcuts, but i dont in the least, that shit is the reason most people here{99%} live on less than a dollar a day. while the richer people around me, are practically BILLIONAIRES{yup, even though theyd never let it out, there are actually billionaires in pakistan, side by side with 99% of people who on the mean dont even earn a dollar a day}. heck in islamabad people drive friggin phantoms and rolls royce. fact is, in so far as money causes harm, i have no desire to take it, reguardless of the fact that u think i wudnt care about who was givin it to me, if t was 50 mil.ON SECOND THOUGHT 😈 ........................ i cud take it, since osama is an ass hole{IF i ever get hear him again, which is practically impossible now} and take moeny away from a tyrant and use it all to influence some african government or sumthin and pull it out of corruption....hmmmm, nice, so yea, maybe id take it.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
wrong. i said id never take 50 million dollars from a terrorist/conspirater/extremist/manipulative government. if the 50 mil had no ill affects to the wrest of the world attached to it, id probably take it without much emotions either way. itd be useful{were i to use it only for myself} in buying lotsa anime/manga/music/high definiton tv/video games/comics/books/swords/martial arts lessons. plus its give me security enough in this hell hole not to be worried about any1 knockin down the wall of may apartment, and personally, thats really, about everything im interested in for myself, i have no interest in living in style and luxury.just because YOU are so shallow as not to be able to conceptualise yourself{or others} as refusing such a materialistically lucrative offer{at the price of your soul} doesnt mean every one else{in this case me} is bought so easily.
peace out.
Originally posted by Schecter
idiot
Originally posted by Schecter
the fool who thought hed make a point by stringing previous posts together, yet failed due to lack of the mental capacity to actually read what he was quoting. truly, your not doing any1 any favours by posting ever shorter extracts of your own words{they seem to have shrunk to single words, my my my.
A soldier doesn't have the luxury of taking a moral stance when it comes to war. You follow orders and try to make it through your deployment with all your limbs. The guys I served with, for the most part, were of good moral fiber. Death's a door mat when you're in a combat zone, but don't think for a minute that these men won't live with what they've done for the rest of their days. It's war... Bad shit is gonna happen. Sometimes civilians get smoked, i've seen it, that's the way it goes. When they're back state side they can debate the right and wrong till their blue in the face, until then it's all business. For the record, I don't agree with the war. War is about money these days, but don't blame the soldiers... They're just people that didn't know what the hell else to do once they graduated(some anyway.) Now they're in a situation they can't get out of.
Originally posted by Jim Reaper
A soldier doesn't have the luxury of taking a moral stance when it comes to war. You follow orders and try to make it through your deployment with all your limbs. The guys I served with, for the most part, were of good moral fiber. Death's a door mat when you're in a combat zone, but don't think for a minute that these men won't live with what they've done for the rest of their days. It's war... Bad shit is gonna happen. Sometimes civilians get smoked, i've seen it, that's the way it goes. When they're back state side they can debate the right and wrong till their blue in the face, until then it's all business. For the record, I don't agree with the war. War is about money these days, but don't blame the soldiers... They're just people that didn't know what the hell else to do once they graduated(some anyway.) Now they're in a situation they can't get out of.
not being cynical here, but between being responsible for the potential{very high potential} deaths of innocents and the destruction of a country and its people for no justifyiable reason, and being dishounarably discharged, which is the better one?{also take into consideration that ur living in a country where one can manage better than some of the best among ur apparent enemies, even if you earn your living by flipping burgers}. give me an honest answer to that alone{and we wont even go into how many of the soldiers might or might not be of good moral fibre like u say}.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
not being cynical here, but between being responsible for the potential{very high potential} deaths of innocents and the destruction of a country and its people for no justifyiable reason, and being dishounarably discharged, which is the better one?{also take into consideration that ur living in a country where one can manage better than some of the best among ur apparent enemies, even if you earn your living by flipping burgers}. give me an honest answer to that alone{and we wont even go into how many of the soldiers might or might not be of good moral fibre like u say}.
You are a soldier you don't have a choice when it comes to matters like going to war. The government decides, yes you could ask to be dishonorably discharged or just walk away and not report for duty. The second is a crime of course and in order to get the first you would need to commit a crime as well.
Besides a soldier may get money flipping burgers it's not going to be enough to do what he or she wants to do with life, yes more then perhaps some people in Africa or Iraq would ever see but things cost more in the US as well. Not to mention that the standard of living there is higher so you need more to be normal.
Originally posted by Fishy
You are a soldier you don't have a choice when it comes to matters like going to war. The government decides, yes you could ask to be dishonorably discharged or just walk away and not report for duty. The second is a crime of course and in order to get the first you would need to commit a crime as well.Besides a soldier may get money flipping burgers it's not going to be enough to do what he or she wants to do with life, yes more then perhaps some people in Africa or Iraq would ever see but things cost more in the US as well. Not to mention that the standard of living there is higher so you need more to be normal.
just so the soldier can do what she/he WANTS with life, she/he is willing to be directly/indirectly responsible for killing innocent people/destroy infrastructure/rob people of their livelehood , on false pretexts????????
honestly can you even justify that to yourself? i have hopes and dreams, therefore ill sell my soul to the devil and even commit murder of the innocent need be, because my DREAMS take priority????{seing also that, as u said, STANDARD OF LIVING IS HIGHER, and really your only working for a social place and luxuries which u admittedly cud do without. on top of that, theres more than one ways of making money other than being a soldier or flipping burgers. there are better jobs, and many people, an after studying a bit, earn more than just flipping burgers}
being dishounarably discharged is FAR better than having to kill. this is only for, GOOD PEOPLE who u described as being stuck in the system. more importantly one should nevr JOIN the army to begin with.
and just so u know, i hear ya. i understand what your talkin about, but life's hard. in my oppinion, stealing money from a bank{given that no1 gets hurt} or any other place is a FAR BETTER and more morale way of going about fulfilling your desires than becoming a soldier in the american armed forces.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
not being cynical here, but between being responsible for the potential{very high potential} deaths of innocents and the destruction of a country and its people for no justifyiable reason, and being dishounarably discharged, which is the better one?{also take into consideration that ur living in a country where one can manage better than some of the best among ur apparent enemies, even if you earn your living by flipping burgers}. give me an honest answer to that alone{and we wont even go into how many of the soldiers might or might not be of good moral fibre like u say}.
I guess the idea of showering in Leavenworth appeals to you. Ask your self this: how naive are most people at 17-20 years of age. Some soldiers have refused to deploy... Some have families, plans to attend college on their G.I. Bill, etc... The idea of an other than honorable, or dishonorable discharge isn't exactly appealing. It's easy to make that assumption when you're not in a position to sacrifice or lose anything... Sure, no problem, just walk away from it.
I don't know how many soldiers you know, but i served with about 500. And all things considered, most tried to do the right thing, although stuck in a tough situation. When you're doing daily patrols and being attacked by small arms fire, I.E.D.'s, being killed, wounded, and being mortared when you're in base camp, it's a little hard to be sympathetic.
Originally posted by Jim Reaper
I guess the idea of showering in Leavenworth appeals to you. Ask your self this: how naive are most people at 17-20 years of age. Some soldiers have refused to deploy... Some have families, plans to attend college on their G.I. Bill, etc... The idea of an other than honorable, or dishonorable discharge isn't exactly appealing. It's easy to make that assumption when you're not in a position to sacrifice or lose anything... Sure, no problem, just walk away from it.
I don't know how many soldiers you know, but i served with about 500. And all things considered, most tried to do the right thing, although stuck in a tough situation. When you're doing daily patrols and being attacked by small arms fire, I.E.D.'s, being killed, wounded, and being mortared when you're in base camp, it's a little hard to be sympathetic.
and you think its easy to be sympathetic when your occupied, your family members have been killed, your livelehood and security has been taken away by a FOREIGN agressor? that logic works both ways. 1 thing is certain this world is ****ed and it doesnt work on things like mutual justice. what goes around doesnt come back around so we can set up idealistic courts/judgement and have to deal with the ACTIONS of both side rather than just the intentions of the best parts of all participants{which usually dont show in battle}. you can only be sum1's tool as long as you allow it.
lol, IM a 17-20 year old, and yea theyr pretty naive. doesnt matterm if their naivity makes one of em go in a position where he rapes and kills my sister, i wudnt just sit around and try to give him therapy, id lock him up forever if nothing else. its ****ed up, its unjust, but thats rally the best you can do as you cant sympethise with naivity when the OTHER side has lost a life and had to go through unendureable pain. if IM naive sumday and kill lotsa people, lock me up too. it nothing close to perfect, but best we can do in this imperfect world. and yea, showering in leavenworth appeals to me more than showering in the blood of innocent men and children. and again, i get what u mean, u got things to lose, but those things are nothing when u look at the alternative. {read my last post, i think it addresses all these point}. peace.
Originally posted by J-Beowulf
leonheart, did you really say that you would take your 50 million dollars and try to pull an African country out of corruption?Africa is a lost cause, just face it... those people couldn't run a country to save their lives... literally.
yea, i did.
and no, it isnt, it was ****ed up by british colonialism, and now continues to be supplied arms by both america and russia{and the new emerging super power on the block, china} and the wars are kept going by giving war lords political and economic intiatives while the developed world powers bleed it dry of iron, conflict diomands, oil, and other valuable resources{chevron actually FUNDED genocide just to get oil outta that continent}. no aid is truly given when it matter and no peace forces are sent in the places of the WORST human rights violations and terrorism, by the self appointed champions of justice whod spen nearly trillions of dollars to go ad LIBERATE two countries on the other side of the world cause they were so filled with TERRORISTS and tyrants due to completely altruistic motives. it isnt a lost cause at all, simlpy because if u say it is, ur dooming the ENTIRE population and all coming populations to misery far beyond humans are designed to endure. and quite HONESTLY, it isnt a lost cause, just have to detox it and cut its ties from the governments responsible for it{suppose thas ur cue to call me a conspiracy theorist again}. people there arent just born WORSE than u or me, they are made that way, and even in worstc case scenario, you have to seperate only ONE generation from their parents{assuming their parents are completely BEYOND HOPE, as u said}.