DC Comics: The Final Crisis!

Started by TricksterPriest101 pages

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
It appears DS is going to rebuild Intergang.

What doesn't make sense is the new Tattooed Man leading Turpin to Boss Dark Side. It should Bruno..he arranges meetings.

Also, at first, it didn't make sense to have Montoya in this issue. But then I realize she was involved with the Crime Bible in the spin-off to 52. So she probably is aware that Intergang's plans.

Didn't Mannheim say he'd gotten a better offer from someone else and that he wasn't working for DS anymore? 😕

I personally haven't read Crime Bible yet. So I can't judge whether Montoya is a good successor to Vic Sage.

I doubt Manheim would work for someone else....who would top DS? Certainly not Luthor or even Savage.

Montoya is so-so as the New Question.

Wiki said that Mannheim was a giant and that he told Superman he didn't work for Darkseid anymore. Now, I know it's wiki, but I remember seeing a scan of this.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wiki said that Mannheim was a giant and that he told Superman he didn't work for Darkseid anymore. Now, I know it's wiki, but I remember seeing a scan of this.

I was just getting ready to ask about that. I'd remembered reading a comic with a giant Mannheim, but I didn't remember where I read it or if anything came of it.

Originally posted by Deathstroke
I was just getting ready to ask about that. I'd remembered reading a comic with a giant Mannheim, but I didn't remember where I read it or if anything came of it.
I think this is what you guys are talking about:

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
And who the Hell is Kanto, Darksieds other body guard ?

Kanto was Darkseid's elite assassin, and an expert swordsmen.

Originally posted by Galan007
I think this is what you guys are talking about:


Yeah, that's it. Thanks Galan.

What issue was that from again?

Originally posted by Deathstroke
Yeah, that's it. Thanks Galan.

What issue was that from again?

No problem.
and it's from "Superman" #654. 🙂

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
. And who the Hell is Kanto, Darksieds other body guard ?

.

Damn Galan...

Me?

Just read it.

Not quite sure what's going on continuity-wise. Clearly Morrison wouldn't just ignore DotNG's, but all the New Gods are reincarnated already and re-killing each other?! Seems suspect. Hell, Superman's speech almost acted like he wasn't there for the entire New God slaughter.

And why would the Source simply create the same gods after purposely destroying the Fourth World? Especially after DS almost destroyed him and took his power away.

Hopefully there's another explanation for their rebirth besides "Oh, it's the Fifth World. Screw the last few months of comics."

Also, embarrassing death for you-know-who. I smiled. It was like the anti-Supergirl/Barry Allen/Superboy deaths. No epic sendoff. Just a "f--- you" from the villains and death.

Easter egg time:

Maybe some else has seen these things, but I haven't seen anyone post it...

...

The title and credits on the last page are repeated on the TV monitor that is reporting the death of

Spoiler:
J'onn
. Taken literally, Morrison's name, along with the rest of the team, are being broadcast on a TV in the DC universe. I figured it has no plot significance, but I know how Morrison likes to play with the 4th wall.

Second, the black guy's hands are obscuring part of the screen, so that the title reads

Spoiler:
D.O.A. God
. Helluva teaser, no?

Well, it has been stated that Morrison had a project in which he would explain all this hypertime/dimension/4th wall stuff throughout the DCU, but it got replaced by Identity Crisis. It'd be cool if he'd explore that sort of stuff in Final Crisis.

Originally posted by DigiMark007

Also, embarrassing death for you-know-who. I smiled. It was like the anti-Supergirl/Barry Allen/Superboy deaths. No epic sendoff. Just a "f--- you" from the villains and death.

I agree...Más y Menos should have had a better death at the hands of Mirror Master. But then again, no one care for those two spanish speaking brats.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I agree...Más y Menos should have had a better death at the hands of Mirror Master. But then again, no one care for those two spanish speaking brats.

😂

Yeah. That's who I was talking about.

Anyway, did they actually die? I thought they just kinda got punked, and we didn't find out for sure if they survived.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
😂

Yeah. That's who I was talking about.

Anyway, did they actually die? I thought they just kinda got punked, and we didn't find out for sure if they survived.

They looked pretty dead but who knows.

Spoiler:
Anyone think there's significance in Orion landing in a pile of Super Guns or the one brainwashed kid that look so much like Orion?

In the previews for Booster Gold #10 there is one of Rip Hunter's chalkboards with the words "Listen to Libra, The Prince will fall on HIS sword."

I really hope it's not a reference to Nightwing. He's often been referred to as a "Prince regent assigned to rule an outlaw province"

Countdown owned.

NRAMA: Within a few pages of issue #1, you’ve shown us that you’re building upon the foundation that was laid by everything from Identity Crisis through Countdown. In regards to the more recent material, such as Countdown, did you have a hand in planning that out, did you tell editorial where you needed things to be for the start of your story, or did you modify Final Crisis to pick up from where things were?

GM: Well, the way it worked out was that I started writing Final Crisis #1 in early 2006, around the same time as the 52 series was starting to come out, so Final Crisis was more a continuation of plot threads from Seven Soldiers and 52 than anything else. Final Crisis was partly-written and broken down into rough issue-by-issue plots before Countdown was even conceived, let alone written. And J.G. was already working on designs and early layouts by the time Countdown started. There wasn’t really much opportunity, or desire, to modify our content at that stage.

Although the 52 writing team was asked to contribute to Countdown, we were all seriously burned-out by the demands of the weekly schedule and I think we all wanted to concentrate on our own monthly titles for a while, so whenCountdown was originally being discussed, it was just a case of me saying ‘Here’s issue 1 of Final Crisis and a rough breakdown of the following six issues. As long as you guys leave things off where Final Crisis begins, we‘ll be fine.’ Obviously, I would have preferred it if the New Gods hadn’’t been spotlighted at all, let alone quite so intensively before I got a chance to bring them back but I don’t run DC and don’t make the decisions as to how and where the characters are deployed.

NRAMA: So. So in essence, you were handed a plate where between Death of the New Gods and Countdown, Orion appeared to have died twice. Picking up with him here, did he wander to the docks from the battle in Countdown #1, or are his terminal injuries from something else?

GM: Again, bear in mind thatCountdown only finished last month so Final Crisis was already well underway long before Countdown and although I’ve tried to avoid contradicting much of the twists and turns of that book as I can with the current Final Crisis scripts, the truth is, we were too far down the road of our own book to reflect everything that went on in Countdown, hence the disconnects that online commentators, sadly, seem to find more fascinating than the stories themselves.

Orion’s appearance on the docks and the Guardians’ response in Final Crisis #1 was written and drawn first. Jim Starlin then created Orion’s death scene in Death Of The New Gods to lead into the War God’s appearance in Final Crisis #1, so we refer back to Jim’s scene in Final Crisis #3. When I wrote that scene, Orion’s terminal injuries were a result of the mysterious bolt of light which Jim hit him with in Death Of The New Gods #6. By the time Countdown #1 came out, I was working on Final Crisis #4 and #5 and JG was drawing #3, so we were already well into our own story and unable to change it to match Countdown.

NRAMA: And so you were left with a handful of continuity issues as result - – why didn’t the Guardians call a 1011 when all the other New Gods died? Why didn’t Superman recount his experiences in Death of the New Gods when he was talking about the New Gods to the JLA? How did the villains capture J’onn? Obviously, if you dealt in all the minutia of every storyline since Identity Crisis or earlier, you’d go nuts – so what was your personal line in the sand that you used in writing Final Crisis in regards to what “mattered” and what didn’t?

GM: What mattered to me was what had already been written, drawn or plotted in Final Crisis. The Guardians didn’t call 1011 when Lightray and the other gods died in Countdown because, again, Final Crisis was already underway before Countdown came out.

Why didn’t Superman recount his experiences from DOTNG ? Because those experiences hadn’t been thought up or written when I completed Final Crisis #1. If there was only me involved, Orion would have been the first dead New God we saw in a DC comic, starting off the chain of events that we see in Final Crisis. As it is, the best I can do is suggest that the somewhat contradictory depictions of Orion and Darkseid’s last-last-last battle that we witnessed in Countdown and DOTNG recently were apocryphal attempts to describe an indescribable cosmic event.

To reiterate, hopefully for the last time, when we started work on Final Crisis, J.G. and I had no idea what was going to happen in Countdown or Death Of The New Gods because neither of those books existed at that point. The Countdown writers were later asked to ‘seed’ material from Final Crisis and in some cases, probably due to the pressure of filling the pages of a weekly book, that seeding amounted to entire plotlines veering off in directions I had never envisaged, anticipated or planned for in Final Crisis.

The way I see it readers can choose to spend the rest of the year fixating on the plot quirks of a series which has ended, or they can breathe a sight of relief, settle back and enjoy the shiny new DC universe status quo we’re setting up in the pages of Final Crisis and its satellite books. I’m sure both of these paths to enlightenment will find adherents of different temperaments.

Well, Countdown kind of deserved it.

What was Countdown?

Oh yeah...a poop which I don't want to ever remember again.