Heihachi vs. Kazuya

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For the record Heihachi and Kazuya climbing the same ravine up do not even begin to compare. Why do you feel the need to exclude the fact Kazuya was a kid during this encounter? Not to mention the emotional trauma he may have gone through while climbing all the way up. Heihachi on the other hand knew what was coming to him and he was a fully health, strong fighter when he was thrown down the ravine.

Devil MAY have aided Kazuya climb back up. It may have not. He was still a child nonetheless. Not to mention Devil did not make any signs of life until Tekken 2.

Which is why I hate Jinpachi...he literally ruined the entire Devil backstory...eventhough the Devil Gene is pretty gay itself.

Oh and by the way I hope you have calmed down now.

I am one of the peeps that believe Kazuya let Heihachi win to get to Jin. Makes perfect sense. All Kazuya wanted was to retrieve his 2nd half, not the Mishima Zaibatsu. True he vowed revenge...but the possible outcome of becoming complete became the highest priority for Kazuya during Tekken 4 IMHO.

However having Heihachi beat him makes little sense when in one instance you have Devil blasting him out of a room with only a glance.

About Kazuya being a coward and letting Heihachi handle the Jacks and explossion...Heihachi had it coming. I cannot understand why you insist on defending a man that thought that throwing his 5 year old down a ravine was the best thing to do. For all intents and purposes Heihachi deserved that...and hell of a lot more.

Why aren't you on MSN?

Cause he dosen't feel like it.

Heihachi and Kazuya seemed very even in Tekken 5's intro.

I love that intro.

Father & Son...taking on bots...than betrayal...then all the other shit.

Then again Tekken has some of the best intros ever.

I have the best intros!

What I like about their fight with the Jack-4s is that they used gameplay moves.

I especially liked the part when Kazuya thundergod fists a Jack and Heihachi finishes it with the double air kick.

Can you show me that god fist move thingy that Kaz used again?

The dreaded Electric Wind God Fist?

Sure thing. Let me look it up.

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That was.... AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!

I lol at the Tekken 5 intro's song. Kazuya is nothing to Hachi without Devil.

He beat him in tekken 1 without the devil.😐

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Kazuya is nothing to Hachi without Devil.

And as of Tekken 5 they're pretty much close to equal. They were both one-shotting JACKs with similar effort and Heihachi even started to lose breath while Kazuya showed no sign of fatigue at any point. Oh, and Kazuya isn't using Devil's power when his left eye isn't red, so he was using his human strength.

He beat him in tekken 1 without the devil

And Heihachi beat Kazuya WITH Devil in Tekken 2.

And perhaps Heihachi was winded 'cause, unlike Kazuya, he didn't get a nice long nap on the floor.

Why does the Mishima-Kazama family hate each other so much?

They don't. They are just naturally opposed forces: the Mishimas have the Devil Gene, a sinister and corruping evil. The Kazamas have powerful and pure spiritual power.

Of course, the more we learn, the more it seems not all the Mishimas were evil bastards. Jinpachi an dKazuya were good guys. Heihachi seems to be the root of all the evil...come to think of it, he kinda is. Him putting Jinpachi down beneath Hon Maru made his Devil appear. Tossing Kazuya off the cliff made hsi Devil appear. Trying to kill Jin made Jin's Devil appear.....

I wonder if this will have a real plot element, that Heihachi started it all.

But anyway, they don't hate each other. Two of them had sex, remember.

Well, can't they just go to an island resort and have a good time?

Sure. If you want this.

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No, like they're playing basketball together, making jokes, gossip, y'know, family stuff.

lets see:
tekken1: kaz beats hachi without devil
tekken2: hachi beats kaz who is mental turmoi
tekken4: hachi "beats" kaz who then pwns him with a glare

i'm pretty sure they are more or less even. and hachi WAS winded, dude. don't deny the obvious. he was walking away, his arms down and his mouth was open like a fish.....hence, fatigued. kaz wasn't.

anyway, i am of the opinion that hachi aint EVIL either. the mishimas are just a very ambitious lot i guess. hachi is more of a hardliner with "end justifies the means" kind of mentality and a bit too selfish. he tried to kill jin cuz he thought that devil was too dangerous to allow to live, he tossed off kaz cuz he considered him too "soft" to inherit the zaibatsu and he betrayed jinpachi cuz again he considered him too soft. its not RIGHT but i wont say evil either.
they are all just pretty damn twisted.

~Sado

tekken2: hachi beats kaz who is mental turmoi

Unproven conjecture that does not add up with the fact Kazuya canonically transformed into Devil to fight Heihachi and lost.

and hachi WAS winded, dude. don't deny the obvious. he was walking away, his arms down and his mouth was open like a fish.....hence, fatigued. kaz wasn't.

Because he hadn't gotten a nice long nap like his son.