Heihachi vs. Kazuya

okay nikkolas, firstly you can go f--k yourself since i really don't care how much you BS yourself about "saying and showing" since you were wrong no matter how much you spew your crap. you're a retarded fagg0t and its been painfully obvious since day one.
so i'll just respond to this part and then you can go back to the n00bish hell you came from and suck shin-remy's little pecker for as long as you want. fact of the matter is no one cares and as everyone else, i probably shouldn't have bothered with you little cuntass.

Ya know Sado, if you had shown me the grace and balls to concede the simple fact you were wrong, I'd have gotten some respect for you.

But it seems I expected too much.

I. Proved. You. Wrong. End of story. It's not being arrogant. You made a false claim and I provided conclusive evidence to how false that claim was.

my question was what is differnet about jun and angel according to the TTT ending?

Maybe you can't remember what you wrote but you flatly asked about how Jun's TTT ending and Asuka's T5 ending match up with Angel's ending in TTT.

Which they don't. I already told you they don't and it's obvious to anyone that Jun's TTT ending is different than Asuka's T5 ending.

confirms to me that you are pansyassslut who can't back up one thing he says

..............

This from the guy who said Devil left Kazuya before he fought Heihachi.

From the absolute joke of a debater who contradicts himself every second?

"But uh, Kazuya made the deal for LIFE not power!!!"

"It says in the Prologue that Kazuya made the deal for the power to defeat his father!"

And you have the sheer nerve to insult me?

This is proven by the fact that Heihachi was out cold during the bout between Jin and Kazuya.

Completely wrong, sorry. Should actually watch the ending again where KHeihachi is standing right in front of Kazuya when the fight between jin and Kaz ends.

In the T5 intro Heihachi wakes up from a slumber after losing to Jin. He was knocked out twice.

He was actually fully conscious according to Jin's canon ending.

KHe just effin' sat up. HOW does that mean he was KO'ed?

Jin was undeniably more angry at Kazuya you n00b. Listen to what he tells him before their fight in Honmaru.

Words are cheap. Actions are what matter. Unlike Kazuya couldn't even make Jin's Devil manifest except for the markings, Jin's wings were unfolding as he held Heihachi limp, ready to kill him.

So..Jin dumped Kaz to the side, had more of his Devil form pop out and was ready to slaughter Heihachi......

I don't see why you two are so determined to ignore canon.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Completely wrong, sorry. Should actually watch the ending again where KHeihachi is standing right in front of Kazuya when the fight between jin and Kaz ends.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
He was actually fully conscious according to Jin's canon ending. KHe just effin' sat up. HOW does that mean he was KO'ed?

He isn't going to just lie there awake especially when Kazuya's sleeping right next to him. srsly

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Words are cheap. Actions are what matter. Unlike Kazuya couldn't even make Jin's Devil manifest except for the markings, Jin's wings were unfolding as he held Heihachi limp, ready to kill him.

So..Jin dumped Kaz to the side, had more of his Devil form pop out and was ready to slaughter Heihachi......

I don't see why you two are so determined to ignore canon.

You have no idea just how much this makes you look like a dumbshit . Try to comprehend what is stated in people's posts before you even think of responding to them.

...?

This is what you said, right?
"This is proven by the fact that Heihachi was out cold during the bout between Jin and Kazuya."

Ie. Heihachi was unconscious through the fight.

But he wasn't. I proved that. He was standing right above Kazuya at fight's conclusion.

If he was Ko'ed through the fight like you said, he'd have to get up and make his way over to where they were battling, all while after Kazuya had fallen. But we see he's already there immediately once Kazuya fell.

So...what am I not comprehending?

At the time we saw him, of course, not during the gap between Jin's ending and the start of the T5 intro.

So....you're assuming based on nothing. Great.

There's also basically no time between when jin departs and when the Jacks arruve, according to the T5 Prologue.

He isn't going to just lie there awake especially when Kazuya sleeping right next to him.

Official prologue doesn't say Heihachi was unconscious. Says he was laying there. IIRC, He also does not make the telltale signs of awakening from being unconscious like Kazuya does.

Yet again, proves nothing at all. Jin's Devil Gene was being more activated while he was fighting out of anger, and on the contrary, words and tone mean quite a lot when determining if someone has hatred towards another

You're absolutely right!

It SURELY shows I have more hatred for someone if I sit and rant about how I hate them. I mean...sure if I went out and actually started to kill those people I hate, it would be nothing to me saying how much I hate them.

Originally posted by shin_gear
LOL when someone tells you you suck ass you respond with a "No YOU suck ass". 😛

I'm fooling around so...yeah.

Heihachi was once greater than Kazuya, perhaps, but as of T5 Kazuya > Heihachi. Heihachi became tired eventually when he was fighting the hordes of JACKs. Kazuya showed no sign of fatigue whatsoever, and as Sado stated, age means crap in the Tekken series. srsly

I don't think my post will win Poltieness of the Year but it was the best I could do after having Sado go off like a sailor at me.

I'm sorry he's mad but that all was really uncalled for.

Eh, this thread was doomed from the start. WHY THE **** DID YOU MAKE THIS?!?!?!?!?!?!

I thot this was a good thread.😐

I made it to address some of SBP's points.

I think it' sa good thread, too.

this thread was doomed from the start, with all the Tekken confusion. It was best if you left it alone.

It could've been a good thread.

I just want to show everyone something....

Jin's Tekken 4 ending...

YouTube video

We can see Heihachi is conscious. Jin is even talking to him and Heihachi is sitting there.

Now we can see the hole Jin made and the stuff falling after he left.

Tekken 5 Opening

YouTube video

Now...we open on that part. We see the exact same stuff falling and the recently made hole from Jin.

Then we see Heihachi sitting up.

So, are you all implying that in the span of SECONDS Heihachi went from sitting there conscious to laying down unconscious to sitting back up conscious again?

And all of this...with no proof?

I mean...at least with Kazuya you get the signs of awakening. The groaning sound.

But Heihachi is just sitting up and NOTHING says he was unconscious. nothing at all.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
I just want to show everyone something....

Jin's Tekken 4 ending...

YouTube video

We can see Heihachi is conscious. Jin is even talking to him and Heihachi is sitting there.

Now we can see the hole Jin made and the stuff falling after he left.

Tekken 5 Opening

YouTube video

Now...we open on that part. We see the exact same stuff falling and the recently made hole from Jin.

Then we see Heihachi sitting up.

So, are you all implying that in the span of SECONDS Heihachi went from sitting there conscious to laying down unconscious to sitting back up conscious again?

And all of this...with no proof?

I mean...at least with Kazuya you get the signs of awakening. The groaning sound.

But Heihachi is just sitting up and NOTHING says he was unconscious. nothing at all.

co-sign.

It does not really matter. Both were portrayed even IMO. Heihachi was not KOed, but was more exhausted. Kazuya, on the other hand, got some rest but he was just waking up from getting the **** knocked out. They both kicked ass etc.

Fact of the matter is Heihachi has the better win record against Kazuya, like it or not. However the circumstances as to how Heihachi beat him in Tekken 4 is up for us to interpetrate.

If they were to fight as of Tekken 5(which they wouldn't since Heihachi was taking a nice nap under ground and Kazuya was slaughering G-corp) they would be very even.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
...?

This is what you said, right?
"This is proven by the fact that Heihachi was out cold during the bout between Jin and Kazuya."

Ie. Heihachi was unconscious through the fight.

But he wasn't. I proved that. He was standing right above Kazuya at fight's conclusion.

If he was Ko'ed through the fight like you said, he'd have to get up and make his way over to where they were battling, all while after Kazuya had fallen. But we see he's already there immediately once Kazuya fell.

So...what am I not comprehending?

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
So....you're assuming based on nothing. Great.

There's also basically no time between when jin departs and when the Jacks arruve, according to the T5 Prologue.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Official prologue doesn't say Heihachi was unconscious. Says he was laying there.

No where in his prologue does it state the he was "laying there". It stated that he lost to Jin, and as seen in the intro, he gets up, and if he wasn't asleep, then he was at the very least close to being unconscious. If you knew enough about the storyline or of Heihachi for that matter, you would at least know that if he was fully conscious and alert, he would've simply got up and attacked Kazuya, or better yet have him chained like he had Jin as a part of his plan in T4.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
IIRC, He also does not make the telltale signs of awakening from being unconscious like Kazuya does.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
You're absolutely right!

It SURELY shows I have more hatred for someone if I sit and rant about how I hate them. I mean...sure if I went out and actually started to kill those people I hate, it would be nothing to me saying how much I hate them.

And I don't see the point in bringing this up. It doesn't really support your case in saying Heihachi's tougher than Kazuya without Devil. You also do realize that Sado was right about saying Kazuya merged with Devil for his life, not for power originally. He was on the verge of death once having climbed up the ravine; that's when he merged with Devil. As of T4 Kazuya tries to unlock more power through use of the Devil Gene thinking that it would be enough to take Heihachi down. That is a different case than when he climbed up the volcano as a child. Now of course, Tekken isn't your specialty.

Sado and Sol Valentine have a point when they say you're hopeless. It's a shame that I even bother to waste my time on a completely stubborn n00b like yourself. srsly

You then obviously aren't aware of the fact that Heihachi was shown making his way to Kazuya, after the bout between Kazuya and Jin. Talk about having the inability of accepting the truth while being in denial.

YouTube video

He's standing right there.....

No, I'm basing it off the fact that Jin actually disappeared before the aircrafts containing the JACKs arrived, hence the time gap between the two instances. It would be ridiculous to say Jin flew past multiple aircrafts as he was leaving Honmaru.

I didn't realize they both could only arrive and leave in one direction....

Simply because we still see feathers falling from Jin's wings doesn't prove shit

I'm sure it doesn't in your tiny world.

You can't just assume that the aircrafts appeared even when the feathers were still falling down, seeing as there's no real evidence confirming they happened within the same period.

Well, you're right. The fact we're shown a series of scenes all in order and nothing suggests they take place a while after each other is definitely cause to think they happened at different times.

And you're using this to support your statement and discount Jin's words, expression and tone as support of him being more angry at Kazuya?

Thanks for lying, GG.

I don't exactly ONLY have the groaning sound to indicate Kaz was KO'ed as you only have Jin talking to back up your statement that he was angrier at Kazuya.

Jin wanted to put an end to the Mishima Bloodline, and he was in fact trying to kill Kazuya

I never said he wasn't.

The fact that it takes considerably more to kill Kazuya with half of Devil's power explains why Kazuya's tougher than Heihachi

Hooray for baseless assumptions!

Heihachi was blown miles and on the verge of death for weeks.

Kaz can't match that, sorry.

And I don't see the point in bringing this up. It doesn't really support your case in saying Heihachi's tougher than Kazuya without Devil.

Er, I didn't bring it up. Sado did.

You also do realize that Sado was right about saying Kazuya merged with Devil for his life, not for power originally. He was on the verge of death once having climbed up the ravine; that's when he merged with Devil.

And as I said to him, Kazuya made the deal with Devil for the POWER to LIIVE. On his own he couldn't survive it. But with the power Devil gave him, he could.

Now of course, Tekken isn't your specialty.

I realize you can't get every fact right but for the number of wrong things you've stated and baseless assumptions you've made, it really does prove you have no clue what you're talking about.

Sado and Sol Valentine have a point when they say you're hopeless. It's a shame that I even bother to waste my time on a completely stubborn n00b like yourself

Sado's managed to flatly ignore canon when it contradicts his false statements and has done a complete 360 on his position at least twice. All in the span of just one thread.

So, if I'm hopeless in the eyes of a guy who can't debate worth shit, what do I care.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
YouTube video

He's standing right there.....

I didn't realize they both could only arrive and leave in one direction....

I'm sure it doesn't in your tiny world.

Well, you're right. The fact we're shown a series of scenes all in order and nothing suggests they take place a while after each other is definitely cause to think they happened at different times.

Thanks for lying, GG.

I don't exactly ONLY have the groaning sound to indicate Kaz was KO'ed as you only have Jin talking to back up your statement that he was angrier at Kazuya.

I never said he wasn't.

Hooray for baseless assumptions!

Heihachi was blown miles and on the verge of death for weeks.

Kaz can't match that, sorry.

Er, I didn't bring it up. Sado did.

And as I said to him, Kazuya made the deal with Devil for the POWER to LIIVE. On his own he couldn't survive it. But with the power Devil gave him, he could.

I realize you can't get every fact right but for the number of wrong things you've stated and baseless assumptions you've made, it really does prove you have no clue what you're talking about.

Sado's managed to flatly ignore canon when it contradicts his false statements and has done a complete 360 on his position at least twice. All in the span of just one thread.

So, if I'm hopeless in the eyes of a guy who can't debate worth shit, what do I care.

No...no, simply the reality that you're saying Heihachi didn't get up and make his way to Kazuya's position makes enough of an impact on your credibility.

...what? I said Heihachi was there when the fight ended. I never said he just magically appeared there.

Fact, pretty much all that you've stated contradicts the truth, and you simply hold bullshit as factual statements.

Not really. I've proven everything I say. While your claims of Heihachi falling unconscious have not been proven. All you've done is make the baseless conjecture all those scenes happening happened a while after one another.

So, that's TWO unproven statements by you.

A beginning n00b should honestly consider not debating two people who've been familiar with the games for years and have in-depth knowledge about the series.

I've been playing Tekken since 1998. I owned every Tekken Game minus DarK Resurrection. I've completed and beaten all the Tekken games. 2 was my favorite.

As for your "in-depth knowledge", Sado's in-depth knowledge is so vast, he's aware of things even the makers of Tekken don't know about. Like Devil leaving Kazuya for Jin before Heihachi fought with kaz.

And let's not forget how the guy pulls a complete 360 every time he's proven wrong.

And you...well, you didn't do anything except make unproven claim after unproven claim. You haven't proven anything you say at all.

It's best for you to quit as soon as possible.

You and Sado are both proned to basless statements. Incorporating your own theories and ideas into debates is a poor move.

And also, might I add, other people do agree with me.

I don't see anyone agreeing with you except Sado. And we've established he knows nothing about Tekken whatsoever.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
...what? I said Heihachi was there when the fight ended. I never said he just magically appeared there.

Not really. I've proven everything I say. While your claims of Heihachi falling unconscious have not been proven. All you've done is make the baseless conjecture all those scenes happening happened a while after one another.

So, that's TWO unproven statements by you.

I've been playing Tekken since 1998. I owned every Tekken Game minus DarK Resurrection. I've completed and beaten all the Tekken games. 2 was my favorite.

As for your "in-depth knowledge", Sado's in-depth knowledge is so vast, he's aware of things even the makers of Tekken don't know about. Like Devil leaving Kazuya for Jin before Heihachi fought with kaz.

And let's not forget how the guy pulls a complete 360 every time he's proven wrong.

And you...well, you didn't do anything except make unproven claim after unproven claim. You haven't proven anything you say at all.

You and Sado are both proned to basless statements. Incorporating your own theories and ideas into debates is a poor move.

And also, might I add, other people do agree with me.

I don't see anyone agreeing with you except Sado. And we've established he knows nothing about Tekken whatsoever.

As for providing evidence, no. You've given no proof of the horseshit you're been spewing. Just mentioned a few really obvious things that pretty much the entire KMC Games vs population already knows.

Once again, the fact that you contradict basic and undeniable facts such as Jinpachi lifting a boulder, showing to have destructive power and being stronger than Devil Jin makes you none other than a pestering n00b.

What makes you laughably pathetic is you only address points that you think you can provide smart answers to. For example, you ignored the part that points out that you're a liar, and at the same time you have the nerve of calling people you don't agree with liars.

And you just can't stop resorting to populem arguments to save your ass on occasions like these. All I know about the argument between you and Sado is that you can't answer someone's questions since you're obviously a pansy.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
And let's not forget how the guy pulls a complete 360 every time he's proven wrong.

And you...well, you didn't do anything except make unproven claim after unproven claim. You haven't proven anything you say at all.

You and Sado are both proned to basless statements. Incorporating your own theories and ideas into debates is a poor move.

And also, might I add, other people do agree with me.

I don't see anyone agreeing with you except Sado. And we've established he knows nothing about Tekken whatsoever.

One thing guys, Heihachi really WAS uncouncious when Kazuya and Jin fought. Heihachi is not the kind of guy who would just seat there for 5 mintues without saying a word while Kazuya is talking to the devil and saying stuff about Kazama bloodline. I honestly can't picture that.

Also, Heihachi did beat Kazuya in tekken 2 and it was a fair fight but he never faced the devil, Jun was the one who beat him, but this fight wasn't fair. Devil could not risk hurting Jun because she was pragnant with Jin and the Devil needed him alive.

As for this thread, I still believe that Kazuya (no devil gene) would win after a long hard fight because of the reasons I stated on the page 1.🙂

Originally posted by Sam Z
One thing guys, Heihachi really WAS uncouncious when Kazuya and Jin fought. Heihachi is not the kind of guy who would just seat there for 5 mintues without saying a word while Kazuya is talking to the devil and saying stuff about Kazama bloodline. I honestly can't picture that.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Also, Heihachi did beat Kazuya in tekken 2 and it was a fair fight but he never faced the devil, Jun was the one who beat him, but this fight wasn't fair. Devil could not risk hurting Jun because she was pragnant with Jin and the Devil needed him alive.

Originally posted by Sam Z
As for this thread, I still believe that Kazuya (no devil gene) would win after a long hard fight because of the reasons I stated on the page 1.🙂

I love this thread. XD

As for providing evidence, no. You've given no proof of the horseshit you're been spewing. Just mentioned a few really obvious things that pretty much the entire KMC Games vs population already knows.

Obviously you didn't.

YOU:
You then obviously aren't aware of the fact that Heihachi was shown making his way to Kazuya, after the bout between Kazuya and Jin. Talk about having the inability of accepting the truth while being in denial.

You just don't know anything you say, dude.

Once again, the fact that you contradict basic and undeniable facts such as Jinpachi lifting a boulder

Is your inability to grasp facts and need to repeat yourself this immense?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=9431317&highlight=Trailer+userid%3A100537#post9431317

I explained why I questioned it in another thread.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...537#post9422644
"It says trailer - why should I think it's an intro?"

I accept the feat now that I know it's actually in the game.

and being stronger than Devil Jin makes you none other than a pestering n00b.

Except um, he's not stronger than Jin. THat's why he got owned.

What makes you laughably pathetic is you only address points that you think you can provide smart answers to. For example, you ignored the part that points out that you're a liar, and at the same time you have the nerve of calling people you don't agree with liars.

I ignored it because it was a worthless and not factual statement by you. Like everything else you say.

And you just can't stop resorting to populem arguments to save your ass on occasions like these. All I know about the argument between you and Sado is that you can't answer someone's questions since you're obviously a pansy.

Here'll. I'll save you the trouble.

This is Sado's argument. Direct quotes.

1 minutes:
For those of you who don't know this: Kazuya never once made the pact with Devil for power. He made it for LIFE as he was going to die.

2 minutes:
sure...the prologues states otherwise. devil said he'll give him the power to defeat his father.

Also, Heihachi did beat Kazuya in tekken 2 and it was a fair fight but he never faced the devil, Jun was the one who beat him, but this fight wasn't fair. Devil could not risk hurting Jun because she was pragnant with Jin and the Devil needed him alive.

Who says Hiheachi never fought Devil? Devil IS the final boss and he does say Heihachi nearly killed him.

Also Jun fought the disembodied Devil spirit, not the actual Devil with a host.

One thing guys, Heihachi really WAS uncouncious when Kazuya and Jin fought. Heihachi is not the kind of guy who would just seat there for 5 mintues without saying a word while Kazuya is talking to the devil and saying stuff about Kazama bloodline. I honestly can't picture that.

And yet, he was up and unhurt and standing RIGHT next to them EXACTLY as the fight ends.

I don't believe in coincidences, especially for a guy who's smart as Heihachi.

EVERYONE is willing to believe Kazuya took a dive minus actual proof. I'll believe Heihachi took a dive because he wanted the Devils to fight and finish off the winner.

However, he can. He can also picture Heihachi defeating a fully powered Devil Kazuya when not only did it take a taste of half of Devil's power to pwn the old man, it's obvious there was some sort of conflict within Kazuya during their bout in T2, if the fight even took place to start with.

Only you and Sado say there was mental conflict. The actual fact we see Kaz become Devil and the fact we know he hates his father says otherwise.